$5 Patron Vote Results: Future EH Topic!

Extra History

Yep, that's what happened! Thanks for your understanding. :)

Matt Lakits doesn't have the mental energy to update their Patreon name anymore, but still listens to every episode avidly!

Ok. I was wondering about that indeed. So you made both the post about the poll and the one with results public, is that it ? Not a problem anyway. Good day!

Extra History

Okay, I found out the reason: voting in the poll is an option for $5 patrons, and your pledge is less than that. After the results were finalized, I made the post public so that everyone could view them, but in doing so I think I caused confusion and more harm than good. Very sorry for this!

Extra History

Okay, I found out the reason: voting in the poll is an option for $5 patrons, and your pledge is less than that. After the results were finalized, I made the post public so that everyone could view them, but in doing so I think I caused confusion and more harm than good. Very sorry for this!

Extra History

Okay, I found out the reason: voting in the poll is an option for $5 patrons, and your pledge is less than that. After the results were finalized, I made the post public so that everyone could view them, but in doing so I think I caused confusion and more harm than good. Very sorry for this!

Extra History

Okay, I found out the reason: voting in the poll is an option for $5 patrons, and your pledge is less than that. After the results were finalized, I made the post public so that everyone could view them, but in doing so I think I caused confusion and more harm than good. Very sorry for this!

Extra History

Okay, I found out the reason: voting in the poll is an option for $5 patrons, and your pledge is less than that. After the results were finalized, I made the post public so that everyone could view them, but in doing so I think I caused confusion and more harm than good. Very sorry for this!

Extra History

Okay, I found out the reason: voting in the poll is an option for $5 patrons, and your pledge is less than that. After the results were finalized, I made the post public so that everyone could view them, but in doing so I think I caused confusion and more harm than good. Very sorry for this!

Extra History

It'll be an intereting one, that's for sure!

Extra History

That topic was suggested by a patron, so you have them to thank!

Extra History

I'm seeing a couple of comments about this, and rest assured I'm going to mention it to the Patreon team. Sorry about this! :(

Extra History

I'm seeing a couple of comments about this, and rest assured I'm going to mention it to the Patreon team. Sorry about this! :(

Extra History

I'm seeing a couple of comments about this, and rest assured I'm going to mention it to the Patreon team. Sorry about this! :(

Extra History

I'm seeing a couple of comments about this, and rest assured I'm going to mention it to the Patreon team. Sorry about this! :(

Extra History

I'm seeing a couple of comments about this, and rest assured I'm going to mention it to the Patreon team. Sorry about this! :(

Extra History

I'm seeing a couple of comments about this, and rest assured I'm going to mention it to the Patreon team. Sorry about this! :(

Virtual Citadel

I come from a family with mennonite heritage so this Catherine the Great series is that much more interesting to me

CarolineHan

I ... my g ... whoa ... my constant pestering for Otto Von Bismarck paid off in the long run? Granted, it didn't win, but I'm still pleasantly shocked.

Roumenov

I'm so excited for this outcome. This has long been my favorite topic of antiquity.

Porcupine

So, if RIGHT NOW every internet clock tells me it's 08:53 AM PST of 26 Jan, and this vote ends on "11:59pm (PST) on January 26", how exactly is it already closed?!? Not to mention the announcement mail was immediately followed by the results one... huh?!?

Eric Johnson

I got the email announcing the poll at 3:11 AM, and got the email announcing the poll results at 3:14 AM. Does make it tough to participate.

Logan West

Yup, just got notified of the poll, and it's already closed. Obviously the results are RIGGED! :)

Matt Lakits doesn't have the mental energy to update their Patreon name anymore, but still listens to every episode avidly!

Same as the previous two comments: I got two Patreon e-mails informing me about the poll, at 9:11 and 9:12 am (Jan 26) and immediately after, at 9:13, the e-mail with the results. EDIT: my time zone is CET.

David Lundin

I got the Patreon email about this less two hours ago and the poll is already closed? That's not nearly enough time! EDIT: Yeah... so I got the email with the results two minutes after I got the email about the poll. I'm guessing it was already closed when I got the one about the poll.

Extra History

Glad it got resolved! (And before the polls closed, no less.)

De

Aw, how did I miss this? I only just received the e-mail and it's 3am. I mean why am I even up and checking my email at 3am?

Extra History

He could! No guarantees it'll be soon but there's no rule against topics coming back multiple times. Catherine the Great won that way!

Extra History

Thank you! We'll try. :D

Extra History

Awww, poor Otto!

Extra History

Noted and changed~!

Extra History

It doesn't exist currently, but you're welcome to leave feedback in the comments!

Jon

I also don't like that you can see the results after you click your first choice - it's a lot harder to make an unbiased decision!

Jon

Charles Martel would've been awesome. Any chance he'll return in a later poll?

William Warren

Just need to see if the fate Ramesses III at the hands of his harem makes the cut haha

Virtual Citadel

Would LOVE to have seen Charles Martel get a series but really, all of these choices are great. Keep up the good work 👍

Winters King

i was really hoping for charles martel, but its good to see we'll get the late bronze age collapse instead of something boring like otto von bismarch

Zion English

yeah it's working. Don't know what I did wrong but its all good now.

Stephen

Speaking of poll feedback - A feature a miss, but rarely used, from the old way was the 'any feedback on these topics' write-in option. I don't know if Patreon's poll as it currently exists will let you add that back in?

Stephen

(How useful this is going to be posting /here/ is questionable, but it seems to work fine from ExtraCredits/posts summary, just... Doesn't work form the main page.

BeAuMaN

Also, I'd suggest using "by 11:59PM PST January 26th" instead of " before midnight (PST) on January 26" as that leaves very little room misreading.

BeAuMaN

Hoping for Otto Von Bismarck. He doesn't seem to be covered well in the United States, and a lot of the things that were accomplished, as well as his eventual downfall, are quite amazing to read about.

Extra History

Hehehe!

Extra History

That would be a nice bit of kismet!

Extra History

You should be able to! It works for me (I just tested). Can you try again and if it's still not working, let me know what device/browser you're using?

Extra History

This is a known bug that I've been complaining about forever and I'm sorry you ran into it, too. I've just sent them another message about it and this time, now that I have patrons experiencing the issue (not just me), I'm hoping we can track down its origins and FIX IT. Thank you for letting me know that you'd run into it!

Extra History

I wanna where Sea People are! I wanna see them, wanna see them raiding!

Extra History

What a weird interaction. I'll let them know about this, thanks!

Extra History

Aww, yay! Thank you!

Extra History

I wouldn't mind trying a ranked or preferential voting system! I've sent the Patreon team a couple of requests for issues I think should be resolved ASAP (like the lack of random sorting) and as the conversation with them continues I'll be happy to bring up more sophisticated polling options and see if they can do for us what even our previous, dedicated polling service never bothered to do.

Extra History

He could always come back in a future poll. :))

Extra History

You can vote for both, if you like!

Extra History

Honestly, James wanted to cover this one, so hopefully he has a plan for it. I'm not sure how we'll cover it!

Extra History

I think that's perfectly valid! We do like to get a good mix of school subjects (so students and teachers can use these) and obscure subjects (so people can learn about new events and people) but I'm pretty happy with our recent run and can't wait to see what comes out of this one.

Extra History

YAY! Glad you like them!

Extra History

This is an old bug that I've complained about probably 19 times already but I'm actually sorta happy to see you complain about it because now I can say "It's not just me! My patrons are being bothered by it as well!" So I'm going to screenshot and link this post to the Patreon team... until then, the best fix I know of is to load the main post (<a href="https://www.patreon.com/posts/vote-on-future-7857096)">https://www.patreon.com/posts/vote-on-future-7857096)</a> on a separate page. It's not a perfect fix, though. I still can't expand comments on your post here without running into the bug, so I actually have no idea what other people are saying in reply to you. :(

Extra History

Woohoo! I love a good biography, but it's nice to get a wider-perspective on an event or time period into the mix.

Extra History

Basically the only two options I can access on the Polls feature right now are 1) Allow people to vote for multiple options and 2) Allow people to change their votes. It's a pretty barebones feature, and my two top requests to get it improved right now are to add random sorting and an option to hide results. Once we get that taken care of, I'd be happy to keep bothering the Patreon team to see if we can get some more sophisticated voting options. We weren't able to do ranked or preferential voting with the last polling site we used either; it's been a surprisingly rare feature (unless you want to pay a subscription fee to someplace like SurveyMonkey, which we wouldn't use enough to justify).

Extra History

Glad you're happy with the choices!

Extra History

I wound up reading a bit about Australian history while researching old Ned and suffice to say I'd love to see more Aussie history in the future. :)

Extra History

I agree with this critique, and I've sent it to the Patreon team asking for a change. I don't expect we'll get an option to hide the results in time for THIS poll, but hopefully they'll implement it for the future! I don't mind people finding out the results or even changing their vote after they do, but I *would* like all our topics to at least start on equal footing!

General Luigi

Possibly. Another possibility is that people who voted for a topic that is too far behind to stand a chance might change their vote to the second-place topic if they're sufficiently opposed to the current leader. This is my first time voting, so I don't know from personal experience how these things tend to go.

Trevor Sullivan

Criticism: people can see the totals immediately after selecting an option, and they can then change their mind. I expect this means that there will be a significant "bandwagon" effect.

Joël Quenneville

A while back, the EC team had "The Treaty of Verdun" as a poll option. I'd love to see that come back. Maybe I should submit that next time.

Tyronne McCrindle

SEA PEOPLE

Excelsius

Just keep swimming just keep swimming...hey i sea people!

GooGhoul

He might got more votes if he was framed as Charlemagne Grandfather

Russell Uresti

Please do the Bronze Age collapse. I have that down as one of the things I wanted to research and know more about this year.

Zion English

I can't vote for multiples anymore? Heresy.

Turlas85

But but...von Bismark. It is destiny! Why do you all deny destiny!?

Marco Honrade

Running into the same problem too. I can't expand to see all replies from the Patreon post page and sometimes redirects me to the pledge page telling me my pledge isn't high enough. I found a workaround by viewing from my home page all can see all replies and comments but this is unreliable.

A very confused bat at a cricket game

Same here. It usually ends up with me on Wikipedia for an hour or so each time.

Pavel Yakushevich

Iron Chancellor FTW!

Just had that happen too. Except my vote stayed, I was just replying to a comment in the thread - and the comment disappeared

Nessf

So - feedback - after I posted a reply to a comment in this thread, patron suddenly decided my patronage wasn't high enough to be allowed to vote on this and locked me out. I had to refresh my page, only to discover it had lost my votes. I've re-voted now, but you may be loosing some votes if other people have a similar issue.

Nessf

Worst come worst you can always go back to the old way of doing it.

Edward James Lehar

In the current climate of deus-vulting everywhere and always, I'm pretty glad Martel is dead last.

TalonsofWater

I wanna learn about the Sea People.

Anthony

Small remark about the poll system: I was able to read the post and see the poll options by following the link in the e-mail even without logging in. But as soon as I've clicked one of the check-boxes, I got redirected to the log in screen. Judging by the link, I'd expect that both reading and voting would be available without logging in.

Antti Björklund

Forgot to mention earlier, but I love how innovative you guys are in naming some of the suggestions!

Joël Quenneville

Ran into the same issue :(

Joël Quenneville

Really excited by all these choices! Poor Charles Martel is in last place right now. If he doesn't win then I'm going to have to dig into Merovingian/Carolingian history on my own :) As far as the polling, like others mentioned I think I'd prefer a ranked/preferential voting system. I'm definitely kind of gaming it right now. For topics I have a medium interest in, I will vote or not based on how others vote (or how I think they will vote).

QuakeRiley

Darn, I really wanted to see Charles Martel.

CrazyAceking

as much as i REALLY wanna see something on Von Bismark, I am intrigued by the subject of William the Silent even more X}

Jorlem

I know. We do know bits and pieces, and they're fascinating. Plus, we do know somewhat more about the fallout from the event, and there's also the likely effects it had on myths and legends and religions that can be covered.

Jim Land

I'd be interested to see where Extra History goes with that one. As best I can tell, no one really knows what happened.

Jorlem

C'mon, Late Bronze Age Collapse! :D

Øyvind Wallentinsen

Whenever these votes come up, I'm always tempted to vote for the people and events I know the least about -- preferrably ones I have never even heard of.

Jim Land

This looks like the best lineup of topics yet, but I have to go with Martel.

Stephen

I'm having the same problem here - Can't load more comments, every time I try it takes me to the main article but while telling me the poll is for $5 patreons only and without the comments. Refresh from there gives me the comments (and poll) back, but... Still no load on the more comments I was trying to view. (OK, actually that's only for 'load replies' the 'load more comments' button is working fine)

Laura Galm

Seems like it could skew results if someone "feels bad" about something not getting a lot of votes... Not that I did that.

Kakirtog, the Charr in gold

It seems I can;t expand the comments without getting redirected to the Pledge page to donate 5 bucks a month, but I'm already a Patron at that level and logged in. I can see the first comment of someone, plus one reply, and the rest is folded behind a 'Load x replies' button. I would really liek to see more of the discussion. Is there a fix for this? Thanks!

Kakirtog, the Charr in gold

Seconded! Any help needed with translating, just shout!

John Dennis

All excellent topics! Going with the late Bronze age as its not centered on an individuals accomplishments. Something different and interesting.

Marco Honrade

<a href="http://freeonlinesurveys.com/p/k0imET51?qid=702132" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">http://freeonlinesurveys.com/p/k0imET51?qid=702132</a> Actually, this is his second time up to bat. He lost by a considerable landslide in the 8th election. A bit unfair since this election was after Justinian part 1 and Justinian part 2 was on the ballot.

Marco Honrade

Oooh! Very good topics this time. One of the key turning points of history is the Battle of Tours. If Charles Martel lost, Europe, and possibly most of the world, would have become Muslim. Otto von Bismarck, the first episode of the first Extra History series mentioned how he deserved a series for himself and rightly so. This is his second time for consideration, he actually has a chance since he isn't running against Justinian part 2. William the Silent is the Father of the Netherlands; quite the tale of politics, religion and rebellion. Late Bronze Age Collapse, how did such a vibrant, complex, interconnected civilizations dramatically, suddenly collapsed? How would you write this series, since it is more speculative history? I would vote for all of them, but I would prefer some over others. Are there more tools for the vote? Can we switch to ranked or preferential voting? The current approval system is fine but I still take issue with approval voting since each topic I voted for is of equal weight.

William Warren

looks like it's a run between the Bronze age and Bismarck, 2 very interesting topics in their own right :)

Martin Verran

Three, in the End ~ Martel, Bismarck, and the Bronze Age Collapse. I can also Tell you exactly which way my Cattle [I say "my" ~ they're not really mine at all; they belong to the Farm] would have Voted if they were here: either "MOOOOOOOOOOO!!!" or, "Potatoes...Potatoes...Potatoes...Potatoes..."

The Lady Loki

I am just so happy that some Australian history is being shown, we don't have as rich history as Europe, Asia and the United States in terms of war and political upheaval. What we do have a rich history of crazy characters, as the Ned "Buckethead" Kelly series will show.

Extra History

I think it is intentional because of the way they set up the system (you can change your vote at any time) but it's not ideal. I'll ask them about setting up some kind of "Confirm Vote" or "View Results" button so results aren't displayed until after someone has decided they want to opt in to that. Not sure how they'd code it with their current system, but that's their problem, isn't it! >:)

Extra History

You gotta believe! <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LIyibFd6WaA" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LIyibFd6WaA</a>

Kathyrne

The Poll shows the results when you click on your first choice. Is that intentional? I'm used to the old polls where you only see the results after making all of your selections.

Extra History

His head will pop!

Ruben Wikhaug

Speaking of pronunciation. Did you know that ye Is pronounced "the"? ^^

Martin Verran

I was Tempted to Vote "Pass" on this One since everything I Vote for always loses.

How_Terrible

GIB BISMARCK!!!

Extra History

I rub my little hands with glee that you looked up one of these topics and learned (a bit) about it that way! That's how I reconcile myself to the knowledge that only one topic can win: at least the others will get a little love as people go look them up for the vote.

Extra History

I would definitely reach out for some help with Dutch pronunciation. Dan tries so hard, bless him.

Extra History

He's been often requested since then, but this is his first appearance!

Aldo de Leeuw

As a Dutchman I would enjoy a piece on William the Silent, but the late bronze age is a lot more interesting. However if William gets picked and you need a hand translating stuff from Dutch to English feel free to ask. I am sure I - and other Dutch fans - would be more than willing to help out. I did take a class in transcribing Ye Olde Dutch to modern Dutch so it would be fun to put that to good use too.

Antti Björklund

I had to actually look up who William the Silent was, so naturally he gets one of my votes. The other votes go to Charles Martel and the Sea People (the latter of whom I know only because of John Green's excellent Crash Course World History series).

Maximilian Vermilye

I remember Otto being mentioned in your very first history series! I hope he gets his due on the show! :)

Extra History

Oh! Good workaround. I will add that note!

Ruben Wikhaug

You can vote on android as long as you use a browser, by the way ^^

Extra History

It is! This is a simple approval vote. You can individually vote for as many topics as you like, and whichever topic gets the most consensus votes from the community as a whole will be the winner.

Zachary Taylor

Is it supposed to be that we are able to vote for all of the topics? Seems a bit off.

Extra History

Incidentally, one of my first pieces of feedback is going to be that we need to be able to randomize the order in which these options appear, to give each choice an equal chance of appearing at the top. :\