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Chapter 854

🕑 Added 2024-12-02 13:00:11 +0000 UTC

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Deonte

Really good way of putting it! I can see that as being the case or something similar

Decibel790

"Are you going to eat this?" Lmao. Classic pit.

John

Interesting thought, wasn't it confirmed that the Gods peacefully coexisted with the Nym for a time and then betrayed them? So the Gods were already potentially a little off the rocker before the Nym, chose to play nice for whatever reason and then betrayed them. But the Nym also have references in their culture to the Primordials with their usage of the word Cthonic, the recently unearthed city Heaavan was mentioned in tandem with the Cthonic host when the System announced its revival. Sounds like when the Nym were first founded they weren't really connected to the Primordials and maybe them discovering that ancient history was what forced the Gods into action?

John

In the starter books we often saw common folk and Pathless suck ups refer to the Chanters magic as wicked sorcery and their own system built skills and magic as the correct kind of magic. This is definitely at least in part done to fit the fanatical religious zealots theme but we do now know that Chanters magic is just magic that bypasses the system and interacts with the Grand Harmony directly. It's not proof that the Grand Harmony exists as a separate thing from the System but it does give me the impression the System isn't necessary. From that pov the System looks less like the source of magic and more like a helpful interface designed to simplify and streamline magic use for the masses. The relationship between The System and The Heavens in Defiance of The Fall is a great example of what I mean, the Heavens (or in our case the Grand Harmony) is the source of dao (magic) and The System is a video game like user interface/tutor. The question that possibility leaves me with is whether the System in Unbound was naturally formed or artificially created by any number of ancient powers.

Deonte

Does the grand harmony exist without the system? So when all the gods die and the system goes away does the grand harmony go with it?

Aaron Schwartz

That is definitely not true. The grand harmony is basically the force. It’s as old as creation itself. As for the ruin, it’s at least as old as the gods, who we already know are far older than the nym, since they were the antagonist in the war the frostfather fought in.

chance s

the way i picture it, is that of the two original nymean unbound, one of them became the ruin and the other became the grand harmony

Aaron Schwartz

Yeah, there are 9 now… how does that translate into the ritual that brought you here always has brought 9 over every time it was used. In fact, it might have just been me reading into it, but I got the impression they were genuinely shocked just how many were brought over considering how big a deal even one is.

Devin Williams

During book 5 when Felix was going through his Omen path. Is when he first seen the other Unbound. Then in book 6 Zara tells Felix that there are 9 of them.

Aaron Schwartz

Also, where was it confirmed that the ritual brings nine of them.

Aaron Schwartz

Yeah, but all the way back when they were first viewing the memory of the Archon’s trial, I remember karys being shocked to see her, since she was from before his time…

Rajeev Roy

She was the last empress I thought

Devin Williams

I think it was confirmed between book 5 & 6 that 9 unbound where summoned. Book 5 during the vision of the Archon brought about by Vvim. The Herald was alive during the time of the rise of the empire. In Book 8 she is referred to as the Final Empress, chapter 61 status message

Aaron Schwartz

Since when did the unbound summoning always bring 9? When was that established? Also, the herald we keep hearing about, the one who first used Felix‘s sword. I’m fairly certain she was referred to as the FIRST empress at some point. I’ve just been kind of operating on the assumption that she was one of the two original unbound from the story.

kinglemur

Awwwww pits on a date!!! Seriously this book just keeps getting better and better


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