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The Value of Nonstate Hypnosis and Ignoring Suggestibility

🕑 Added 2021-09-17 22:24:52 +0000 UTC

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Summer Vixen

UHM, so apparently I had you blocked on twitter. I don't know how or why and I am very sorry.

Summer Vixen

This article inspired me! Quite strongly, too. Specifically, I felt inspired to write up a brief, very simple model of hypnosis from a perspective I haven't seen very often, if at all, before. It's only three tweets long, and I'd be very honored if you could give it a glance? https://twitter.com/VixenEvening/status/1576641442985803776

Lyke Maladay

I hope it's OK to discuss this beautifully written material and give other perspectives. Trance is a subjective phenomenon. It is experienced differently by each person. It doesn't lend itself to easy objective measurement, so the scientists tend to discount it. That's why I look to people who are adept at going into trance for the answers. How many of the researchers have actually experienced a profound trance themselves? Ken Wilber (American philosopher) makes the point that it is difficult to prove the assertion that Shakespeare's Hamlet is a powerful play. The only way to prove it is to watch the play yourself and compare your reaction to how you perceive other plays. "Each domain [possesses the] appropriate means of assessing the validity of knowledge in its own realm. Thus traditional scientific approaches are best suited for physical phenomena. However, hermeneutics (interpretive approaches) best serve the symbolic realm (e.g., the meaning of Shakespeare's Hamlet is determined better by hermeneutics than by scientific analysis...). Likewise, contemplative understanding is best evaluated via intersubjective testing by masters of this realm. Each method is valid in its own realm but only in its own realm. Failure to realize this has produced enormous confusion and conflict between scientists, philosophers, and theologians." https://drrogerwalsh.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/1038_71_Articles_The-worldview-of-Ken-Wilber.pdf I know a hypnotist who says that trance depth is irrelevant, that people accept suggestions even when wide awake, yet every second word out of her mouth is "deeper". Does she not understand her own model or has she discovered through practice that even if she doesn't define it, the deeper the trance, the more she is able to elicit hypnotic phenomena from her subjects? Here's the thing: yes, I can influence someone who is wide awake, but what if what I am attempting to do violates a core belief? If I show a person a scalpel and say that they will feel no pain as I cut their skin, would a wide awake person believe me? Yet whole surgeries have been performed without anaesthetic on people deep in trance. If it's not the trance that allows this result, what process is it?


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