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v2c69: Heaven doesn't Always Shake

🕑 Added 2021-10-06 23:18:46 +0000 UTC

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Midjji

Yeah the rr end is great:)

Jeff Petkau

I noticed the RR version has a few edits, much improved. The last line is perfect.

Pluto

that was because the rice was bordering on gold grade at the time. Basically, it was silver 5 rice. It just needed a bit more to push it into gold 1. It also is super not natural. Maybe silver rice might occur on its own, rarely; but a farmer with qi is absolutely needed to get gold. What makes Jin's farming special is that he's really really good at it. He's got years of practice coaxing qi into plants way more fragile than rice, he's got farming techniques millennia ahead of the time, and he's got an earth spirit actively helping him. Jin is getting results that a 1000 year old ancient master farmer would with his isekai farm cheats. (You know, if an ancient master farmer would lower themselves to growing rice instead of the sacred blossom of whatever the fuck that only blooms once every 10000 years)

Matt DiMeo

Yun ren got paid by gou, who was holding the money. Then Yun gave Gau back a cut.

FlawlessMovement

Wow that comment wasn’t even directed at me and I’m still amazed at the sheer temper tantrum being thrown in the reply to that dude commenting that people are idiots.

Matt DiMeo

Framed is correct. The name is a pun based on the sun “framed” by the split in the mountain, plus “sun sect” = “sun set”

Midjji

Depending on what the tex rate is. It seems very unlikely its less than 10% ie 180bags, which means the magistrate is standing there going, so should I remind him or would he kill me for asking? Its probably best not to consider that stuff...

Midjji

No grandmas in 69 please

Midjji

Nah he is just using sjw as a synonym for angry ignorant whiner, which is pretty accurate overal. Though in this case its a pequiliar kind of ignorant toxic powerfantasy fan, not a sjw whining.

Midjji

Pratt is on to something, though with the way commodity has been used in the text i would be wary of there beeing a difference between "Commodity" and commodity, as in some kind of wierd as local law or regularisation term, which is a pain in the ass, but happens too. But overall i think authors should just stay away from actual amounts and expecially from contracts, its just not a good idea to include them, and they invariably become catastrophic if magically enforced. Focus on the social aspect, except leave it a bit more diffuse how long it took. Leave the details obscure and unveil the consequences slowly. Shirtaloon does this quite well.

Midjji

Because authors never know anything about how trades are or were conducted irl, and because they want to minimize the amount decribing the deals, wile still giving some numbers at for that gold rain feeling, they usualy mess things up. The scene of meeting them is actually quite good, that is pretty much how it goes, except it generally takes several days. But there are several issues. First, the deal is large enough that if jin wanted to sell directly liquidity and credit would play a huge role, as in he would get a much worse price. Even 3k+ years ago. Second, there would be tax concerns. Third the deal they signed last time and the deal they signed now, is really bad for both parties, at least as written.

Midjji

Xiulans father remarked the earlier silver rice quality separate from the qi, ..."and stuffed to the brim with qi". Unless the author weighs in, or you find the reference, i think its more likely that the amout of qi is remarkable separately, but that much like the magisters men not recognizing the silver grad at first the azure company cant detect it either. Indeed the qi might even be hidden much like the qi of the spirit herbs was.

Lochar

Which would explain why the Azure Hills usually never has Silver/Gold rice. The ambient level of qi there is so low rice never picks it up on it's own, and no "real" cultivator would spend the time necessary to drench lowly rice in qi. Whereas in much stronger area, ambient qi soaks all the plants, so farmers there get lucky when their rice patties absorb enough qi to go silver/gold on it's own.

Robert Mullins

Author clarified elsewhere, can't remember where, that starting at silver grade the rice must have at least some qi to qualify for the grade.

Mrdelta

I thought being stuffed with qi is part of what makes it gold rice.

Brian P.

That is remarkably convoluted. So for this to be the case you'd have to assume Noodle did NOT see his master killed, and he states he did. You have to also assume the people Meimei treated were from that village and that particular time Sun Ken was on a rampage and that Gou Ren got a look at this person. And then that person somehow managed to overcome their crippling and become a Misty Lake disciple despite always using crutches. And you have to assume the person that Noodle described as a "nearly a man grown" at the time of his death has somehow become a boy. So yeah, I think it's much more likely that he looks familiar to Gou Ren because he looks a bit like Xianghua as he's related to her. And he probably got injured in the first round of the tournament.

Midjji

Im curious what the reaction of the gold rice winner will be when they realize its not just gold grade rice, but gold grade rice stuffed with qi.

John Pratt

Aslo, Casual Framer, you should know how auctions work. As an active farm with extra animals, auctions are inevitable. I understand Jin avoiding selling chickens, but this is how people sell eggs while they have a stud. Piglets are inevitable, you need to live that like a farmer. You have breeding pairs of animals with your character, eventually you'll have too many sheep. The extra chickens are a way to investigate this idea in the actions of Gou Ren.

John Pratt

WOW, Seaspike, that's odd. I don't often see people who hit all of your stupid. This dumb comment is a huge swath of bad. 1) It is clear that this idiot hasn't paid any attention to what is actually in the conversation. 2)This tiny shitbird has used the words "social justice warrior" unironically. This useless husk of bad ideas has suggested that race or sex has played some part in a dude selling to stuff people just like him. 3) This silly little cuck boy can't even spell his bad ideas good.

John Pratt

To further clarify how the concept of the commodity form applies to rice in the context of this world, it should be noted that rice actually isn't a commodity below spiritual grade. Below silver grade rice is purchased at a fixed rate by the state, at those grades rice serves as a method of taxation, a recommendation of a minimum wage, and an entitlements program all rolled into one. Very much like Mediaeval Japan, the currency of this land is effectively backed by rice. It's like the "Gold Standard" that backed US currency before we moved to fiat; but it's obviously superior in that rice has real intrinsic value, while gold has little real use to anyone and it's value is mostly a presumption. The "Rice Standard" of currency works better because the demand for gold is determined largely by supply, while the demand for food is fairly inflexible, and scales with population in the same way a currency should. Under the "Gold Standard" a new gold mine means everybody suddenly has less spending power, while a harvest standard only breaks down in the event of natural disasters. In a temperate enough climate it effectively turns your currency into labor vouchers.

John Pratt

Angrypunch, you've been wrong about every single particular thing you've said, except how an auction works. Though your margins are pretty far off for that. A commodity is "any object extracted or manufactured for the purpose of selling for profit." The moment Jin put that rice on a cart with the intention of selling it off, it became a commodity, it's rarity has no effect on that. Further, the most unrealistic thing about the opening bid is that it was A) Too low, the merchants would be selling at a loss after overhead B) It was set by the customers rather than the house, an auction house always sets the opening bid and minimum bid. Generally the opening bid is the least the merchant is willing to let it go at and the minimum bid is the houses cut. So an appropriate opening and minimum in this instance would be 300 silver with a minimum bid of 20 silver. Assuming it took 10 silver to ship the rice here, that means the merchants still make 20 silver even if the first bid is a sale. But 4 silver profit on a 50 silver purchase is a razor thin margin for a merchant to live on. It only takes one ruined shipment to push the venture into dept. %100 percent profit is small for modern shipping consortiums, and they're a lot more reliable then wagons in magic beast land. In such hostile territory they need to at least triple their investment to offset the inevitable disaster This is especially true since by paying Jin up front, they're assuming all the risk. They're just out 250 silver if the wagon carrying that rice winds up in a river or raided by bandits.

JohnJohn2195

So im rereading the chapter he tells the story here the bit "And My Master… Oh, my Massster. He did not run. He went to confront him. They laughed at him. The demon himself came to personally kill him. My Massster’s dance let him dodge three blows. Three blows, and strike once. A mere mortal man, against a demon, and he landed a strike. But all that strike did was enrage the beast. In the end, my Massster could not stand against him. He was ssslain by the demon, sundered in a single blow. And all I could do was watch. Watch, as the flames consumed the house, consumed me. " yeah he could of died there but where jin and meimei learn about the animals killing him she says "“You’re such a good girl!” She praised, and the cat just looked smug. “Good job on killing those nasty men!” Jin looked surprised. “Verdant Hill had to take care of the survivors once, a few years ago. Nearly all of them were injured. Men missing eyes, arms, legs… and the women….” so if kid is looking familiar to gou he might have been survivor they might have taken care of before and even crippled a cultivator that takes up a trade could do way better and be more valuable for a sect to take in as a worker.

Brian P.

No? They have nothing to do with one another and Noodle saw his master killed.

Brian P.

This didn't seem to be answered but: The "he" in the line "He caught the bag that was thrown at his head" is Gou Ren catching what his brother decided to give him from the pictures. His brother was being paid for each picture taken.

Brian P.

As I recall some of them were. Though I'm also a bit tired of the joke regarding Tigu making naked Jin statues. It beggars belief that Jin wouldn't have explained modesty to her, especially given he and Meiling explained enough for her to wear clothes.

JohnJohn2195

So after rereading the chapter and thinking about noodle and yin giving back story on their village before sunken burned it down and "killed" noodle's master and how his dance let him avoid 3 blow and get 1 strike in. Is this crippled young master noodle's master? Like iirc sunken chopping off body parts and being sadist would leave his victims a mess. Like if he was like a low level cultivator and someone like Xianghua i imagine she would take him home outta being a good person and looking after him.

Umut Numanoglu

Obligatory "nice" chapter

Seaspike

Eh. It's probably comments from people with no idea how anything is bought and sold in real life. Maybe some nieve social justice warrior?

tobias merz

well, I'd say the first bags have a hughe profit margin. Though right now no one knows how many bags there are. The price is high because of it's rarity. To sell all of Jins rice the trading company has to move the rice quite far. And in comparison to real live, a pair of sneakers cost mabye 5 dollars but are sold for 150. And the majority of that proift margin is not going to the manufacturer but to the reseller. Because the cost to rent valueable high street space, salleries to staff, adverticing etc. can be much higher than the actual manufacturing. To have over 80% of the profit going to the Seller is not uncommen. Jin could get that money himself, though he wouldn't have time to grow anything because he would have to spend all his time haggling and even than without staff would not be able to move that much gold grade rice....

FlawlessMovement

People are deeply confusing me on here. Who in their right mind thinks. “I get to sell this for a minimum fixed price AND a portion of the auction profits.” Just…no? Like what? You sold it, it’s not yours now and whatever they do with their rice has nothing to do with your greed of wanting MORE profit.

Angrypunch

I half agree with you. But lets leave it at that. The books isn't finished yet so no reason to continue :D

Ivactheseeker

You can make a deal so you get a cut off each sale (though it's more troublesome to carry on and it would delay Jin's payment) or you can sell at a fixed price. Jin chose the latter. Then the deal for this batch is done and it's up to the marketing company to decide how they want to advertise and sell the product. You could advertise the wondrous properties of the rice, stage an all you can eat rice contest to attract customers, build a rice museum, whatever. Or since this is xianxia-based, an auction. Which is also good advertisement for both Jin and the company. Of course if the selling price becomes much different you can reevaluate the buying price for the next batch. Which is exactly what happened with the maple syrup.

Angrypunch

If a company did this. They wouldn't get any customers. If they didn't have a monopoly on the trade. You don't screw your provider. Buying at a fixed price then selling it to the highest bidder. BUT if it were in the contract they signed that he would get a percentage of the auctioned of rice, then I have no qualms over it. And we didn't get any details of the contract, so it's just speculations from my part :)

Ivactheseeker

... I'm not sure people realize how basic economics works.

Angrypunch

The rice that Jin produces is not a commodity since it's extremely rare. And you wouldn't auction it off without the consent from the farmer who made it, since he wants a piece of the pie. And if the farmer who made the rice is aware that the company who bought the rice profited 100%. You would be scammed. If the rice was sold to the company for 50 silver, and they sold it for 100 silver.

Ivactheseeker

Buying at 50 and selling at 100 seems more than reasonable Sometimes in reality you get 5x-8x. And yeah, this was a test run, and probably sold at a higher price because of its rarity. Price will normalize later on when people realize how much supply there is.

Lochar

They bought 300 bags. The five for auction look more like a demand test than anything else. Then the trading company turns around and sells each bag for 75-100 silver a pop or similar. Jin doesn't care until it actually starts affect Fa Ram. Then lots of people are going to suddenly care.

Ivactheseeker

No, he hasn't been scammed. And it's exactly as you said: he got payed 250 (50x5) which was the starting price of the auction. Everything else beyond that goes to the trading company, as it should be. Buying price and selling price are always going to be different, otherwise the seller goes bankrupt. (Though I do not see how that relates to my previous comment)

Angrypunch

That's kinda dirty of the Azure trading company. I don't know the specific of the contract Jin signed. An auction should be like this. You want the auctionere to sell your item. The item gets sold for 300 silver. You get 250 silver and the 50 goes to the auctionere. So Jin got massivly scammed. And the Azure trading company should be afraid if Xiulan gets a wiff of this deal.

Torbjørn Nilsen

If so they are incredibly stupid. Jin is a farmer, he will produce wares like this every year. Other companies will hear about the gold grade rice and start looking around. I would have aimed for a modest profit, so he would chose us next time aswell when there most likely would be other offers on the table.

Angrypunch

Mrdelta

My guess is he's her younger brother.

Ivactheseeker

"He caught the bag that was truth at his head, and raised an eyebrow at the clicking coins" I think this is a leftover from a previous draft. He gets the money afterwards.

STORRM

yea The heavy coins linked{clinked} into Yun Ren’s hand He wasn’t even counting the money even more {anymore} those were the only 2 I noticed

Dvyddr

With all the statues of Jin scattered throughout the countryside it almost appears as if he is to ascend to some kind of local god of the land when people eventually start to pray to those statues. Considering their features and in the spirit of the 69 we all know what kind of god it‘s gonna be 😅

Aaron

What was the image on the paper that Gou Ren saw on Bowu's house related to? Does it mean they're protected/allied by Xianghua's sect?

BRUNO ASTUR

Did gou rem got paid twice?

Michael Otton

I thinks it's well more then a years income considering silver grade rice sold for 5 silver per bag normal rice probably costs 5-10 bags per silver. Jin also made super rice that produced 2-4 times a normal yield on a farm staffed by a 'family' of cultivators for size limits. Minus what they need for themselves I'd bet at max there selling 200 bags even if they produce 3-4 cash crops a year there maxing at 100 silver gross income. A well run farm by my numbers nets 10-20 silver a year assuming good harvests which goes to show why 50 silver a bag is ridiculous to a mortal.

FlawlessMovement

Yea he gave a casual gift equal to like a years income for a family lol

Joris Middendorp

Bag of rice seems to have a standard size, so I don't think they're resizing them

Adi

Neither for me

Sebastian Osterbrink

There is one in the Patreon fan-art channel. Well, not eating, but holding

Linus

I can’t imagine him selling temporary artwork like that so probably. Now that I think about it, didn’t they have a feature like ”recharge while in sunlight” or something?

Jack Trowell

Same here, no email for the new chapter

Chris

Well, we now know for sure how much regard she has for them. A CAT, Sharing food from her prey.

Luke Preston

Picture of Tigu eating a spider leg?

taukid

So had Yun Ren gotten the images to last longer or permanently yet?

Gabriel

This is literally chapter 69

Carl Mason

The real question is are they the same bags, or is the rice being rebagged in unbranded bags and maybe change the size or weight per bag?

Carl Mason

Is that supposed to be the 69 joke? Because unless Statue Jin is doing a hand stand it doesn't technically qualify.

Carl Mason

I also could not find any semblance of a 69 joke, my assumption there is that it is the symbol on the door when Gou Ren walks the boy home.

Ichypa

Doesn’t feel like a lot happened, but that’s fitting what with the title. A nice palate cleanser before we get back into the tournament.

The Slowest Turtle

I just remembered Jin gave the mayor 8 bags. Now I'm staring to see the imbalance as the major saw it. That is some gift Jin just gave him, and now how will the mayor be able to reciprocate to remain honorable, even though to Jin its just "good rice"?

Meschmee

True, the 5 didn't sink in when I read it.

The Slowest Turtle

I think it was 250 for 5 or starting price at what they sold to Jin. Depending on the ending bid, maybe?

Meschmee

That's a lot of profit on the rice.

chumponimys

New character. But he lives in with the same sect as Xianghua, and Gou Ren thought he looked familiar. So odds are high they’re related. (I don’t think you can spoiler tag Patreon comments so I won’t say it here, but CF confirmed how they’re related in discord if you check there).

mant06

Was Bowu introduced prior to this or is he a new character?

Ashlazaria

Love it, like always. :) Edit note: "He wasn’t even counting the money even more, just depositing the coins beside him, so he would work on the next image." <-- "even more" should be "any more" I think?

George chu

Famed not framed probably

J B

I kinda wondered if we were gonna see Grandma. Guess so, and Jin now has price confirmation. Assuming Fa Ram isn’t staffed by idiots like Robert Jordan’s pro tags who never share info….

BananaInMyPants

Took me a bit too, don't worry. Face to face with Jin's bits.

Dee

Nice.

JohnJohn2195

The little brother has scouted out his sister target and gou gains another wingman.

Meise

Need help, I am to stupid to find/get the joke and it annoys me...

Scipio

There's a typo about the row the sects are sitting in, it should be "From the" instead of "Front he"

Paratus

"Front he second level, reserved for the sects. " was that supposed to be "In the front of the" or "The front of the second level"? Anyway, thanks for the chapter. I love Jin & Co being oblivious to their power around normal people.

Aesoir

Huh the update got sent to email but the new chapter didn’t… that’s two in a row now

JesteR231

Firstly


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