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Chapter 239 - Survival

🕑 Added 2024-05-28 01:11:14 +0000 UTC

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ManguKing

I'm wondering which gods did this

saltyApple

Reread while waiting for today's chapter. So is this flashback with reference to a convo Kai is having with Ele about how he survived/got out? It was just kind of abrupt transition but now im realizing Kai is probably confiding more in his older sis and reminiscing on the past 2 years.

Connor Hinrichs

Thanks for the chapter. I'm a little disappointed that this chapter was purely flashback, but I thought the pacing was handled really well with the time skips showing his struggles and progress in each new section well

Craig

Yeah, I am super biased against flashbacks too. Honestly, we could have totally skipped every single flashback so far and I would be happy at meeting up with Kai after he gets out of the portal, but I suspect that the author already did a lot of planning/writing about the hidden realm and wants to use it. So if the author insists on using the hidden realm content, then he might as well put it at the beginning of the book so it is not actually a flashback.

Mark

I very much agree, but also have to admit that I am biased in that I absolutely hate flashbacks as a stylistic device in writing (or actually any kind of nonlinear storytelling). That's why I was so happy when Kai just emerged from the portal without any lenghty retelling of of his time there (time skips are fine, they go in the right direction ;‐). I hope we don't get half a book of flashbacks now.

Gabriel Medeiros

Keep on trucking Drew. We are here talking about your work - positively or negatively - because we care about it and are invested in it. I also think that the frustrated folks are just venting in their own way.

Gabriel Medeiros

The last chapter ends with a prompt from Ele asking about how Kai's time in the hidden realm was. The recap was prompted. Now you are entitled to your opinion as are we all, but this recap didn't come out of thin air.

Gabriel Medeiros

We are being introduced to a character that's going to stay a while. A good author needs to explain how the two characters bonded so that any future interaction is validated. I'm not a cat person either but try to see it in that context. I also hope the broader problems Kai faces with the Merian republic will get addressed in due time.

IgnisPrimus

Sure thing Mr "You can’t please anyone these days". And when have I shown anger towards you? annoyance? Sure. But saying I have an "absurd amount of anger" towards you is a weird take and a bit tone-deaf.

IgnisPrimus

Even though joining a discord is not paywalling is still a wall and something the author gets something out of if I do join, And yeah even though quite a few people agree that it is very bad pacing at best and stalling to get money at worst. it is still objective. So can admit I am wrong and that I jumped the gun a bit too hard on that.

Adunn

Just woke up and saw all these replies. You can take it as condescending if you want but I hadn’t even seen your comment before this morning. This is kind of an absurd amount of anger to have towards anyone. Especially considering that this is a story someone is writing online and you chose to support them. Have a good day if that’s something you want to chose to do.

Craig

I dont think these flashbacks work for the story (as flashbacks). For me personally, it would have worked better if we just got these "stuck in the hidden realm" chapters at the beginning, and then he escapes and we continue the main story/his reunion with his Flynn and his family.

IgnisPrimus

I can see that yeah.

Flusspferd

Fair enough. I also just re-read that and finally saw that he wrote “anyone”, not “everyone” as I thought. Which changes my perception of the comment rather drastically, if that makes sense.

IgnisPrimus

"You can’t please anyone these days" In my mind is a very condescending sentence. If he truly was not trying to be a douche I will of course apologize and delete my comment. But I don't think that is the case.

Flusspferd

Having the information on discord is hardly paywalling. The service is free and as far as I know the author doesn‘t benefit from people joining there. Whether he is stalling or not is admittedly up for debate. That being said expecting an author to write exactly the story you (and a lot of others, me at least partially included, I like to see the numbers go up as much as anyone) is mad to me. We are paying for the privilege to see advanced chapters, which we are getting. Not to shape the story to our preferred narrative. It is of course a balance, the author needs people to pay his bills, but it is ultimately still his story. And using cliffhangers or suspense is just what is done in literally every book or tv series to get people to buy the next instalment. Frankly, if he nailed the execution of those flash-backs (and he messed them up pretty badly from my point of view), I believe a lot less people would be complaining.

Flusspferd

Have to agree with IgnisPrimus on that one. While I have seen some toxic comment sections on Patreon, this here is rather mild and certainly not vicious. Is it supportive? Obviously not. Do I personally wish people had some more faith in an author for whose work they are willing to pay a monthly fee just to get earlier access? Certainly. But you can‘t expect upset people keep everything toddler safe…

Flusspferd

I get the annoyance, but that hardly justifies jumping down that guys throat. He is just as free to voice his approval as others are to complain… it‘s not like he attacked others or invalidated their frustration, he simply stated that a) he is fine with the current trajectory of the story and b) that no matter where Drewells takes the story there will always be people who would have liked another direction better. This chapter is admittedly especially controversial and I have my fair share of problems with it, but still… That being said if he believes his approval invalidates all the grievances expressed by others he is clearly delusional, but I can’t find any indication of that.

James Faulkner

Tftc!

Joko

I like the chapter but that might be my cat person bias but it feels kinda out of place

Gabriel Medeiros

The last chapter ended with Ele asking about Kais experiences... so this chapter bookends that nicely.

Gabriel Medeiros

Folks, its a perfectly fine chapter. The issue of serial updates is that the story isnt always moving in the direction we expect, and having to wait for the update when it does can be frustrating. If we were binge reading lots of chapters on rr people would not be complaining like this

George

knowing the end result really undermines any stakes for me

George

I don't see why we didn't just get this at 233 instead of skipping

IgnisPrimus

Damn. You like them? I guess all the criticism and complaints people have does not matter now huh? let me personally apologize on behalf of the heathens who dared to complain about something you like!

IgnisPrimus

Is it not? I either have to pay or join a discord. Making people either pay 20 dollars to get the information you want or wait (for all we know is weeks away from being revealed) or join a group is a scummy tactic to get people to join his discord (something he benefits from) And quite a few people agree that they feel like the author is stalling, just look at the comments on this chapter alone. You also have to factor in the fact that people have to resubscribe to get the answer they want because the author is stalling. It is very scummy behavior and tactics.

IgnisPrimus

If you seriously think people writing mild curse words are people being "vicious" you need to grow tf up. it is totally fair to say it is childish, but to outright say "it feels like the complaints are expressed as viciously as possible " is almost laughable.

Oliver

Clearly it's been awhile since you've met an adult cat person, the toxoplasmosis has taken him...

Seiryus

Tftc. I think you have weave these flashbacks better into the current events. I mean, if we can afford to skip two years of his life, it means that not everything that happened there is important. We've already got the scene explaining the cat, and also scenes showing that he almost starved to death, so the only important info this chapter brings is how he used his wishes? Maybe just focus the next flashbacks on when he got to yellow, whatever happened to his profession, the moment of escape and the moments he gets anything that will be relevant later, otherwise you might as well have written the whole thing.

MAS

I like the cat, but I feel it should be referenced rarely if ever. Kai’s problems are far-reaching and involve the entire realm, and it’s been nothing but cat cat cat. I don’t understand. Mentally Kai is in his early 30s now. Some of his inner dialogue reads like he is in grammar school.

Larc

First of all, the story has been fantastic post time-skip. What works exceptionally well is Kai's reintegration with his family in conjunction with the flashbacks. This tells us three things: what is happening now, what happened in the past, and how does this affect Kai and the people surrounding him. On the other hand, a pure flashback like this feels more like an exposition dump. It doesn't tell us much other than "bad things happened, kai was desperate, hobbes helped" which doesn't add anything new. Still, plenty of chances to rectify this for official publishing.

Jaishel

I liked this

Adunn

You can’t please anyone these days. I like these chapters.

SkyGold

I'm honestly continually shocked at the toxicity I see in this webnovel's patreon comments, it feels like every small valid complaint is expressed as viciously as possible (not yours, just commiserating). I honestly hope Drewells doesn't read these, because they sap my joy and I'm not even the author!

Lenora

I understand the frustrations, but don’t let these comments get to you Drewells. You’re trying something new with the story and that’s okay. The disjointed nature of these chapters definitely needs some work before you publish the ebooks (some reordering at the very least, maybe some rewrites too). Even better if you can do some of the reshuffling before it gets to royalroad. Your writing is great, a little extra organizing will go a long way.

Flusspferd

I know… but from my understanding it was posted for yellow patrons by one of the top tier supporters as a courtesy rather than by design. Not that that changes the end result by any means…

Steven Thompsen

Thanks for the chapter!! so originally with the time skip you were saying you're going to have flashbacks so I expected one flashback every like three chapters or something maybe even a little more than that but it seems to be the chapters are more flashback than actual chapters and if that's the case I don't understand why you did a time skip in the first place. Just my opinion on the matter

BaguaBrady

We have his status on the discord as yellow patrons tho (without profession stats that are currently secret for plot reasons). So even that complaint is off base

Flusspferd

@BaguaBrady: what I believe IgnisPrimus meant to say is that while the top tier doesn‘t get extra chapters, they did get access to his updated status, which is what many readers are waiting for. Why he doesn‘t just say that and instead resorts to insults though, is anyone’s guess…

BaguaBrady

Troll

Flusspferd

I don‘t think the premise was so bad. Telling some of his story from the hidden realm to Ele, his usual confidant when it comes to his status, progress and also the hardships of his training, seems reasonable to me. However, I do agree that the author messed up the execution of it for once (given the overall quality of the story, for once is the choice of words I would go with, but that makes this chapter even more jarring). It lacks interaction with / reactions from Ele and I am also quite unsure about the scenes that were picked and the thought process behind them. I personally don‘t care whether we get the status this or next month, keeping the suspense for next month to entice patrons to stay is just good business sense. That presumes that the story makes sense and flows similarly well as usual of course. Needless filler to reach next month is decidedly less acceptable.

IgnisPrimus

This whole chapter is stalling and the author is paywalling shit. tf are you on about? Why are you being stupid on purpose?

Flusspferd

I have to agree, this didn‘t feel like a flashback at all. I expected some interaction with Ele, but I will just see how it is resolved in the next couple of chapters.

BaguaBrady

There is no stalling going on, what are you even on about? And the $23 tier doesn't get any extra chapters. Your whole complaint is absolutely off base

IgnisPrimus

The stalling has gone too far man, even though I normally love filler chapters. This is the most unfun, unimportant, and some of the most useless chapters in a long while. I rarely get frustrated by authors stalling in stories but I can already feel this is getting to me. There is just no point in it. And the scummy behavior of paywalling what we are waiting for behind a 23-dollar membership is just a fucked up thing to do. I get wanting to reward people who support you more than the standard but "punishing" people that is paying less while doing it is not okay.

Bosparan

Thanks for the chapter :)

Draeysine

I went back and read the end of the previous chapter. idk. I feel like this transition works in a book, just not in a serial. Its still off. Bumpy. Personally i think, commentary in between flashback cuts works well to make sure the reader didn't just get lost, and isn't weird for the book version either. There's a way to do this without making it odd for serial readers, even if there is technically some indication of flashback happening at the end of the previous chapter, its not smooth. I guess thats fine if the goal wasn't for it to be smooth

Luboš Hemala

I thought it took that long because he specifically didn't use Zervathi's wishes. I mean, it could be very strong plot device much later on, to waste it here is stange. I mean, chatting with him doesn't cost Zervathi much, no? Apart from that, the chapter is okay, nice even to see him struggle, but the conclusion that he he needed an out is a bit weak.

Flusspferd

I think we are all happy not to be held hostage for months in the realm, but I do agree with Ben Enz and Halfcrzy that the flashbacks don‘t really work like this. Given the ending of this chapter, at least today’s, maybe the others this week need to be flashbacks as well for them to make any kind of sense in the context of the conversation Kai was having with Ele. But at that point we had way more flashbacks than regular storyline since the beginning of book 4 and we might as well have gotten an abbreviated version of a chronologically sound stay in the realm. That is not to say that I dislike the chapters as they are or the flashback idea in general, they are just too close to each other with too little present storyline in between, as some of the others already stated.

Draeysine

Chapter seems off. like Its weird from the previous chapter. A bit of lead in to a flashback would have been smother transition. this is just hard cut into hard cut. Like how is this presented in the current story? is Kai talking about this to someone? Is he telling this story? is there anything being left out? Is this instead a dream? This is so disjointed.

PloofDoodle

Where's the connection to the end of the last chapter? this feels disconnected from the rest in a weird way. Its not him having a flashback like the previous instances and its not him explaining his time in the realm of anything. I feel like this needs another pass rhrough editing to make it fit better.

FrozenSharkey

Recommend looking at my Edit suggestion comments on 231, 232, 233 for a better structure to recommend changes, makes it easier to tell what needs changing

wanderer117

For the first time, he considered whether he might have bitten more than he could chew. suggested edit For the first time, he considered whether he might have bitten off more than he could chew. Snow continued for a few hundred meters of steep incline, leaving then space to ivory rocks and a forest further blow. suggested edit Snow continued for a few hundred meters of steep incline, then the slope changed to ivory rocks with a forest further blow. He couldn’t tell if it was fear of getting eaten alive or willpower that kept him together, albeit barely. suggested edit He couldn’t tell if it was fear of getting eaten alive or willpower that kept him awake, albeit barely. The murmurs and Herbology stirred him away from deadly herbs, but they were less accurate with those that just made him cramp and bleed for days. suggested edit The murmurs of Hallowed Intuition and Herbology stirred him away from deadly herbs, but they were less accurate with those that just made him cramp and bleed for days. or The murmurs of Herbology stirred him away from deadly herbs, but they were less accurate with those that just made him cramp and bleed for days. An instant too late, and a drake would have munched on him. suggested edit An instant's delay, and a drake would have munched on him. If he wasted that now, he might as well doom himself. suggested edit If he wasted that now, he might doom himself. Where are even your parents? suggested edit Where are your parents? “Well, just enjoy this while it lasts. I need to leave soon and you can follow.” suggested edit “Well, just enjoy this while it lasts. I need to leave soon and you can't follow.” Though the longer he remained in the Sanctuary, the higher the chances something went wrong. suggested edit Though the longer he remained in the Sanctuary, the higher the chances something would go wrong. Despite having gotten better at surviving, he needed to run into the wrong yellow beast in a moment of distraction only once to be done in. suggested edit Despite having gotten better at surviving, he only needed to run into the wrong yellow beast once. Any moment of distraction could be fatal.

Wolve

TFTC

Ben Enz

I think halfcrzy was saying to build more suspense by not out right saying what happened, and instead slowly give hints as to what happened in the hidden realm, basically what you said just over a longer period that what is currently being done.

A B

living on with the wild plants -> living on the wild plants

George R

Thanks for the chapter

Oliver

I prefer my telling of tales of disbelief in the form of modest mouse dashboard music video...

Rylie Harris

tftc! I do agree with halfcrzy tho, I think mixing it in over time with more current events could add more context and chances to integrate his past into his behaviors now each chapter.

Hectorbeserk

You could make the flashbacks more intresting by having some banter between kai and ele you could even use it to set up foreshadowing and kai using hind sight for som intersting commentary and introduce some tension kinda like the water thing

Alex

Anything can be presented as a vacation if properly staged. This chapter was not staged and appears very disjointed after Kai’s reunion. It could be a story to his little brother of how much his cat eats or something along the lines of of Kai reminiscing… but just as a chapter it interferes with the flow of the story

Memoryofgold

Thank you for the chapter! I hope to see Kai apply his survival skills and wit in future conflicts, and maybe reflect on what he could've done better in the past

Silver Beard

This chapter sucked balls. Sorry. Somebody has to say it. Author knows were waiting for status update; and we get this crap? A reflection out of time or prompt? Just pushing out the reveal until the 1st obviously. Very shallow dude... very

Nathan Sto

Each to their own, but I like this. The story can be told in different places of his journey and only show what's relevant to the events of the current timeline. Plus, I don't know if I would have liked being stuck in the realm for the next sixty chapters.

Emily Gurnavage

Dang, he had quite the quest in front of him. I had been thinking it was more just a waiting game.

mechanizedbush

Tftc! "leaving then space to ivory rocks and a forest further blow." -> "with ivory rocks and a forest further below."? or maybe just a rewording here. "western forest. The kitten" -> "western forest, the kitten" "Astral Harmozirer" -> "Astral Harmonizer"? Unless that's intentionally a new term

Halfcrzy

I feel you should have kept what happened a mystery longer. Bring it out in pieces. If we're having immediate flashbacks, we should have avoided the time skip and followed Kai to begin with. Plus the audience is eager to see what the new him can do.

Aceluke

Ty for the chap! Seems Kai worked hard to get free

Andrew

Thank you!

Austin

Thanks for the Chapter!


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