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Chapter 191 - Catching Up

🕑 Added 2024-02-22 21:06:10 +0000 UTC

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You gotta realize, media usually does a poor portrayal of gay and lesbian characters because they are simply there for the sake them being in that demographic, i don't think the author did a terrible job, and it was in passing so he did it 99% better then movie directors do it lol. I think it's just a instinctual reaction at this point that gay = bad book.

nicolas

After counting every story on RR with none straight character that I am currently following, if we exlude story without any romance or where romance is impossible because the MC is a Tree or some other weird thing, I think that I find between 60 to 70% of the story with a non-straight MC. So it's not as bad as I previously said, but I still thing that RR is above average for non straight characters : Story with bi/gay/assexuel MC : Mirror World: Goddess Reborn! , Reforged from Ruin [Eldritch Xianxia Cultivation, Otherworldly Anarchist, Newly Summoned Demoness, Crimson Eternal, Reaper's Resurgence, Arc - An OP Isekai LitRPG, In Loki's Honor, Beneath the Dragoneye Moons, Reincarnated as a Jade Beauty?!, Melody of Mana, Twinned Destinies: A Cultivation Progression Fantasy, Azarinth Healer, An Unborn Hero, Alexa Thyme, Demonic Devourer, Maid to Kill

Doug Wills

This story has depicted relationships between Kai's mom and two different men who are straight. Ele and at least one guy, who both appear straight. Kai who we don't really have info on, but I know he himself is straight. That's Kai, Ele, Moui, Kai's mom, Ele's boyfriend, Kai's dad, and then we have Flynn. So of 7 characters, exactly 1 that we have literally any information about isn't straight. We also know the twins are into Ana, so of the characters we know anything about that's at least 8 characters who have only ever been presented as straight. There is also the governor and his wife, plus a number of other implied straight relationships. There is nothing overly represented here.

Doug Wills

Shoved down your throat? The vast majority of stories have straight MC's, hell, this one does to. It has a single character that's bi. Also, to the OP, what do you mean "suddenly" gay. Flynn's sexuality has almost never come up, and literally a few chapters ago he talked about how hot Kai's older sister's boyfriend is. And prior to that he was basically barely in puberty. I don't understand how something simply existing at all is "shoved down your throat" or is an issue for you. If Kai has a romance someday when he's older, are you going to whine that he dates a woman, too? It literally doesn't matter.

Doug Wills

I've literally never read a story with a bi MC. Every single RR story I've read has a straight MC unless they explicitly state otherwise. Secondly, Kai isn't gay, Flynn is. Flynn is not the MC. He's a side character. Thirdly, not every made up society has to care one way or another.

George R

Thanks for the chapter. I loved side characters in this book you make them just as interesting as Kai! Feel better

Kendelle Trotter

You are uninformed and are drawing entirely from modern western cultures for your conclusions. We are talking about islander cultures. For an example to instantly refute your baseless claims look to pre-trade Philippine religion. They did not "tolerate" gay people. They worshipped multiple homosexual, trans, and bisexual deities. I could cite plenty more examples but just that single one should make it clear your conviction is misplaced.

Kendelle Trotter

In tribalistic and island cultures homosexuality isn't nearly as rare as it is in modern western society primarily because with nature deity worshipping religions it is celebrated and treated as normal. Native Americans for example have the concept of the twin-souled (trans people) and ancient southeast Asian religions had multiple genderfluid or homosexual deities. The idea that homosexuality is "out of the blue" or abnormal is a result of your cultural circumstances and upbringing. It makes perfect sense in this setting and there was no way to obviously foreshadow him liking men as well. Have you met many gay people? They're not all overly flamboyant and a large portion are even hypermasculine. I'm straight and the many gay people existing in the real world (nearly 10% of the population) don't bother me, so why would I care if they exist in a story. You're being absurd.

NeuroNine

@The Golem Crafter, it’s pretty obvious you are a bigot and are just mad that less and less ppl are accepting your viewpoint, and won’t listen to others correctly informing you that it was accepted in other cultures. I’d say sorry, but the more your ideas are rejected the better. So not sorry.

nicolas

You clearly havn't seen some of the antiquity's arts if you think that homosexuality wasn't talked about then xD As for "not natural" that just not true. Sure it's not the norm, but if a none trivial part of the human do it, if a lot of animal species have been observed doing it, I can't find a reason to call it unnatural. Or else the nature is unnutural xD (havn't studied the plant life enough to know if it's unplant-life either xD)

nicolas

I agree with you that straight people are not really the target audience for homosexuality storyline and that RR tends to overrepresent it. That being said, in most of those story, it is only talked about in the sideline with only a few sentences here and there and no impact on the main story. So, to me, it can only be considered a mild annoyance if you don't like it. Furthermore, even if real life homosexuality is rarer then what RR tend to depict, it is a fact that it exist and is impacting a non trivial amont of people. If you want to depict a realistic story and have more than 10 characters, than statisticaly one shoudn't be straight but something else. Add to that that in the 2000 and before there were almost no representation of homosexuality in art, so I think that now, artisit tend to compensate for all the non representation they had before.

The Golem Crafter

It wasn't accepted as you said but tolerated. Those civilizations would let by-gons be by-gons and wouldn't kill the person for being gay, and even then they don't openly admit to being gay. It's known but not talked about. Stays in the closet type secret if you will. Being blatant and open about it would still likely get those people made fun of or worse beaten even in Greek or Roman society at their most hedonistic peak. It's just not natural, and with how depraved it's gotten with tyranny story time or sexually dancing for kids half naked how can you not be against it? Sure you can say it's a minority that do that but shit man, you can't even disagree with them else you get banned or called a bigot 😅.

The Golem Crafter

I honestly just don't like homosexuality in a story. It's shoved down our throats in every media platform and I'm just sick of it. I don't care if you support homos or not I just don't want to see it in every book on royal road I read.

David

Forget about pregnancy, what about their menstrual cycles? Women ovulate monthly and it has a loose relationship with our lunar cycle. How would 7 moons affect them? It would be interesting if they synced up with one or two particular moons and only had thier periods every few months.could make pregnancy planning way easier or way harder

M_Lo

Props to Kai for not being your average Isekai pervert who dates 13 year olds. Also I think that Lou has gone of the deep end since he seems to me like someone who is morally conflicted right now.

The Golem Crafter

Even then u need to rake into account degradation of joints and tendons as well. Those don't regenerate or repair. The human body's so complex lol.

nicolas

I don't see how Flynn sexual preference could have been introduced early on. Before the time skip he was only 14. That seems to be a little early to delve into that subject. This story had no reason to talk about sexuality (so far) as we were following children, family and master/apprentice relationship. As Kai and his friends are now hitting purberty, it was expected that such topic would come into play. Flynn sexuality has (so far) only been mention in passing and had no impact on the plot. So even if for some reason you don't like stories that inclued Bi/gay people, it should only be a mild inconvience (as long as romance doesn't become a central part of the story)

nicolas

I agree that this chapter didn't imply any cheating and that Flynn can be sometimes suprisingly loyal. But if you take into account every lie he tell, every person he fools and every thing he steal, it wouldn't suprise me if he cheated (as long as he didn't care much for his victime)

nicolas

That mean you must not know how hard it is to stop aging biologically. Even adding protein to lengthen the telomeres would probably no be enough to stop aging entirely. Brain cells and some other important cells don't duplicate much, so you would have to find a way to also restart that.... From my point of view, solving aging is like solving the "egg" problem 10 time over.

The Fergun

Much later though I agree with Kai He getting together with people close to his current age feels icky

The Golem Crafter

Perhaps, I just don't see it being all that simple.

nicolas

Still having your eggs regenerate seem kind of easy from a biological point of view compared to stopping / reversing the aging process entirely. Just need to have some cells that don't multiple normally begin to multiple.

Connor Hinrichs

Not a cheater, when I said multiple relationships, I meant that he goes from one to another really quickly, as is typical with teenagers. It's pretty clear in the chapter that he splits with the previous partner before getting in another relationship

nicolas

He has the personality of a cheater, so yeah....

Dalton

I like this chapter! Also I like that Flynn is bi . I really like how his character has come as time has gone on and his relationship with kia. I hope you get well soon.

Andrew

Thank you and get better soon!

Connor Hinrichs

I always enjoy getting information about side characters outside of the main characters sphere of influence, it really fleshes out a story and makes the characters feel like real people. Flynn being the type to have multiple relationships is so on point, he definitely has the personality for it

Louis Cypher

Kai is like 12 right now. Dating shouldn’t even be considered lmfao. Goddamn Flynn. Not to mention that his partner down the road needs to be a high race grade to keep up with him too.

Louis Cypher

I wouldn’t mind them hooking up down the line too tbh. She seems cool enough.

Alex

Feel better bud

Mike Warfield

Anyone else think that the favor that Valela asks for will be to bring her into the friend group? She seems lonely and clearly wants Kai to be her friend so I doubt she asks for anything too crazy.

Mike Warfield

Even if it were true that a society like that would not tolerate being gay, which I don't agree with since people have listed examples where they did, who cares? Its the authors universe, they can write it however they want. You are fine with literal magic and mermen being around, but say that homosexuality being accepted is unrealistic?

Hammy

TFTC, no idea why a number of commenters are bothered by a bisexual character. haha. I am still not a fan of Flynn but he been getting better as a character over the last bit.

DeVeritate

Why is Flynn suddenly gay? Why do you introduce homosexuality as beeing normal for the first time in chapter 191? Both seem out of the Blue. Thats bad Charakter writing and bad worldbuilding. If thats the story you want to write thats up to you, but I wouldnt have wasted time and money on such a story and I feel deceived.

The Golem Crafter

What are you getting at? I can't tell if your messing with me lol. It's based on genes and how many eggs a woman is born with. The numbers vary but almost all women stop ovulating at around 60, for most however its 50. We could develop immortality in the real world but it wouldn't let women reproduce without eggs lol

Hammy

Lou is super sus. Honestly if I was Kai I would not tell him anything except for what is publicly known. Eg his new baby sibling, or that he makes options etc. everything else nope

ZaA

"Nothing to do with age" you.. believe that? If it happens around age 50.. commonly.. then yes it has to do with age. And since we're living till maybe 85 on average (made that up) then it's likely that it happens in reference to how long we live.. in a world with magic and where each grade increases your lifespan.. well, I hope you can connect those dots

NeuroNine

You're making an assumption about complex biological processes about a species of human that has evolved on a different planet with magic. There could be a million explanations for how this works.

NeuroNine

You do know there are more cultures than post-Christian Europe to draw from right? It was accepted by ancient greeks, there's history of acceptance in China pre Song Dynasty, multiple indigenous cultures in the Americas accepted it.

The Golem Crafter

If you get too far from reality though you start losing your audience. It also tends to take you out of the story if you see something like that and you know the reasons. A lot of people don't know women run out of eggs. People just think the woman got too old and stopped because their body couldn't handle birthing a child. It's partially do to that but mainly an overly can only hold so many eggs and women dont produce any more. Guys still keep producing sperm even if their 100 lol

Dustin Denney

Yeah, on RR a couple regulars and I talked about him when he came back and there were all those chapters that heavily involved them. The general consensus was he might very well have one of the truth-seeker profession or at least one that is rather valuable. I suspect you are right, I'm hoping it doesn't happen, but with more and more stuff he does I would be surprised if he and Kai don't clash by the time Kai is about to leave; if it doesn't happen sooner and is the precipitating event of his departure.

EVillarreal

You seem to forget this is fantasy world, where that isn't even worth mentioning compared to the other "impossible" things that happen.

EVillarreal

He does have sus vibes, tbh i wouldn't be surprised if kai and him end up clashing somewhere down the line.

EVillarreal

@nicolas Also we are talking about an entire made up universe, so it will pretty much be on the author to decide in which way the worst of the civilization will be shown. In this case it seems it is classism, racism and xenophobia. (Since Flynn is so nonchalant about it I feel like homophobia wont be included.)

Dustin Denney

Thank for the chapter and hope you get feeling better! Nice to see Flynn has his own life besides being stuck at the house. And I'm very excited to see what profession he gets. That said, I'm growing increasingly more and more suspicious of Lou. I mean I have been rather suspicious of his circumstances since he was re-introduced and rather vocal about it for awhile on RR. I have given him a lot of leeway and still think he is a good guy, but he does absolutely everything possible to give the group 0 information about what he does all the while policing the group on what they tell Kai (or tries to) and just keeps sucking up more and more info from Kai and Flynn. I understand it very well could be the magical contract, but like he gives the nothing and doesn't even try. I'm hoping it doesn't break down between Lou and Kai, but the way things are going it very well might be a lot of things slowly coming to a head to break things up.

nicolas

Magic ! If someone stay younger for a long period of time we can suppose that magic created some kind of stem cells to replace to old cells. So Maybe magic also created stem cells to replace the ovums

Dustin Denney

Yeah, that will be an interesting reveal if it happens. Though I am curious what the difference between the two is exactly.

Brandon Steele

Magic

Brandon Steele

Doesn't surprise me one bit

nicolas

@The Golem Crafter, I don't agree. It depend on the society, but some antiquity socety like Grecs tolarated gay a whole lot. So the republic could be open on that front (just a possibility, it could also be the other way around)

EVillarreal

Tha-that seems to be the case (?)

nicolas

Seems like a trend on Royal Road. Almost every MC is Bi or Gay. Can't even find an exemple of a straight MC xD (Only straight MC would be in creepy slave / harem novels xD and straight girls is literaly impossible to find on RR)

The Golem Crafter

I hope he doesn't keep talking about it honestly. A society like that wouldn't look kindly on being gay. I don't care what people think, any society pre modern Era had no tolerance for it and even in the past it was tiny amount of people.

The Golem Crafter

I never understood in stories how a woman cab get pregnant if she's 100 years old. Most women stop ovulating around their 50s and become sterile. It has nothing to do with age but hoe many eggs they have in their ovaries

David

Apparently he really likes people and will continueto be all over the place... I hope Kai doesn't do romance for a few years. He has too much to do, like growing taller and reaching yellow.

David

Enchanter huh? I wonder what she would say if she found out about his new yellow engraving skill..

Simeon Dobromirov

Di-did you make flyn bi sexual??

The Fergun

Thanks for the chapter and take care hope u feel better!

Lenora

Thanks for the chapter. Hope you feel better soon!


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