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Chapter 159 - Trust and Honesty

🕑 Added 2023-12-28 19:56:46 +0000 UTC

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Doubledoor

as I said to another person in a different chapter, dropping a story u like enough for patreon due to a single chapter is stupid and wasteful. If you don't like the story as a whole then drop it, but if 1 chapter out of 160 being bad is enough to have you drop it then reading longform media might not be for you.

mehmed zepcan

Ya I just got back to the story and Im gonna drop after last chapter I seriously hoped the author wouldn't do this lame AF

The moons are from the Republic and aren't worshipped in the archipielago if I remember right

Game Devil

I first though Lou might have been inducted and trained as a truthsayer. But swearing on the ancestors and the 7 moons makes it seem more like the local island priests instead. And bound by some kind of oath or contract as well, not cool. I've been curious about these ancestors, the ruins and the script his father was trying to translate since the beginning but it doesn't seem like anything moving on that subject in the story anytime soon.

Thaabit Rivertree

Great way to put it

Doubledoor

I feel really frustrated with this chapter. The fact that Kai basically gave entirely in to a person he barely knows threatening him without even making it clear that Lou was in the wrong for being as aggressive as he was seems to undermine a lot of the character's development. I suppose we didn't have an arc that focused on developing his sense of self-worth but this is literally the first time he backed down like this. At least he should have been shown to be immensely frustrated and had to forcibly calm himself down. More realistically he should have demonstrated that Lou wasn't that much of a threat to him by showing a bit of his magic before giving in to the questioning.

George R

Thanks for the chapter

Louis Cypher

Yeah, I feel he has been really impulsive these last few chapters. Blatantly creating a bunch of lies that wouldn’t stand up to scrutiny was dumb as well.

Stephen Pearson

While I like the overall outcome, I think the expressed emotions and the details are very problematic. Kai reacted like a frightened small animal, very much in a position and attitude of weakness. He completely buckled to extremely bad behavior and attitude from Lou, even feeling apologetic while doing so. He had no problem with a complete and utter lack of reciprocity from Lou. All of it felt bad to me, even if the final destination was correct. I know that if someone treated me that way and I similarly failed to stand up for myself, it would bother me greatly, and it should.

ThoMiCroN

Kai is not compulsive, he’s careful. Any attention on him would lead to a form of exploitation or control, so he developed the habit to never show his cards. No one knows the full Kai.

Caleb Reusser

I'm very disappointed in Kai. Couldn't make it through chapter cause it was so frustrating how he just crumbled and shared his secrets. I really hope he ditches his "friends". I don't understand this concept that just because a person asks you a question they deserve an answer. And when they threaten you for an answer...

ThoMiCroN

I guess Lou had to pay a steep price for the power he got, and it made him less naïve. He assumed Kai was the same.

mechanizedbush

I like Lou a lot more after this chapter. I hope we get to learn more about him and his motivations. "pointing his index" -> "pointing his index finger" or just "pointing his finger" "thumping his feet to head back" -> I don't know what this phrase means, "turning to head back" is the closest I can think of

Fuyge

I think this was very well handled. Both made some mistakes but I think they’re both reasonable. Totally understandable why Kai would lie and in character. That would be suspicious to Lou and then he overreacted a bit cause he’s probably on edge. Characters worked it out reasonably afterwards. Very nice.

Duncan

I think the problem is the threat made by Lou AND Kai’s reaction; together. Kai has just as little assurance about Lou’s intentions as Lou has about his. This may make emotional sense from Lou’s perspective but it feels like a character jump from Kais

Wiggles1

"All Lou did was try to make sure nothing bad was going to happen to the people he's been trying to keep safe since they were taken from their homes." Hard disagree. Last chapter he physically dragged Kai 50 feet and asked, “I hope there is an explanation for all of this, I really do.... Did you get involved with dangerous people?” Then this chapter, “You get one chance to tell the truth.” and “So…? Who recruited you?” If Kai does not opt to tell right now, is the implication he'll just tell the others Kai is suss? Does Kai know he can say "Nope, I didn't plan to spill my guts right away, sorry if that's a problem" and walk away? Lou hopes for an explanation. Does it sound like he vaguely wishes for Kai to give information he doesn't owe in an act of trust? I think the answers are "No", "No way", and "LOL I wasn't born yesterday". Lou is physically threatening Kai, and threatening to report him to the local security state. He is not demanding assurance that he won't bring trouble, he's demanding a full explanation. He is not giving Kai the option to walk away or keep some secrets. He is not giving him any reassurances that he'll only report wrongdoing. This is bad and Lou should feel bad. If Lou is going to threaten kids for answers he needs to carefully consider what he is and is not threatening, and how he will communicate it.

Thaabit Rivertree

So, this went better than what I was expecting, but... Why didn't Kai offer to share his "secrets" -if Lou agreed not to share them- from the beginning? It seems awfully weak and uncharacteristic to just give into his demands without evening the playing field a bit. I mean it could have gone something like: Kai: [while still behind held by Lou] I don’t mind sharing my secrets, but you have to agree to keep them secret. Lou: I cant do that. Answer the question. Kai: Why not? Lou: Can you swear that what your secrets won’t endanger myself, my friends, or the republic? Kai: I swear [what he said I the chap] Lou: stares at him hard for a moment. Then I swear, so long as you’re telling the truth, [what he said in the chap]. I feel like Kai is just being a bit of a pushover by giving in, without securing some cooperation/reciprocation first, especially since he is literally putting his and his family’s safety on the line by sharing this information. I mean Kai seems to have a good shoulder on his head, not one to take stupid risks and get saved by plot armor. I mean he takes stupid risks when it comes to protecting his family (which aligns with his values), but this is exactly the opposite of that. Why did Kai lie in the first place? To protect himself and his family. After he reveals the info, he has to ask, competely at the mercy of Lou, if he will keep the secrets or not, which has tremendous implications for their lives. When Kai asks for reciprocation, the old “I shared my secrets, so now you share yours,” Lou just says he can’t and Kai just accepts it at face value and moves on. WHAT?? I mean Kai just makes up a story that makes sense in his own head and totally disregards the hostility and frankly demeaning rudeness Lou showed him earlier. Sure Lou is worried about himself and his friends’ safety, but is Kai’s worry over his and his families safety any less worthy or valid? Yet Kai just rolls over. He could have at least picked at the topic more and gotten some sort of admission or much more justified inference that Lou is in fact operating under some sort of restrictive oath. Even still, it just feels like Kai let himself get intimidated and gave into demands to share information, but when it’s reversed on the very same person Kai just lets him get away with the very same thing He wouldn’t let Kai get away with. It just feels like Kai doesn’t respect himself as much as he should. Like I said, it’s better than I expected, but I still think there’s a lot of room for improvement. This is just one scene, and it certainly doesn’t ruin the whole story, but personally I’m not a fan of the direction and focus the narration has been taking and this is one part of that. I mean Kai seems obedient to authority but he also seems clever enough and respectful enough to take care of himself and not let himself get pushed around. He’s also very protective of his family. These last few chapters and this one just don’t feel like the way he’s been up till now. I get he’s changing with puberty right around the corner, but usually you’d think while under the authority of his parents, his household, and his teachers, he’d be more limited, and he was limited to a degree. But for whatever reason, now that he’s moved away without any oversight, living as an independent alchemist no less (a rare and esteemed profession), basically operating his own business, you’ve made it a focus to show how he’s even more limited and incapable than he was as a child. It just isn’t a direction I find enjoyable I guess, and personally I think it’s unnecessary even while keeping the general events so far the same. Sorry for the mini novel comment lol. I can’t take away from the overall quality of the story up until recently, but I think this really should be changed.

TheAverageNerd

To me it feels like a mix of things. Kai clearly knows he has an issue of compulsive lying, so this was a chance to be honest and grow as a person. Especially when continuing to lie would likely do more harm. He also clearly cares about his friends, even if it's been 7 years and doesn't want to do them wrong. As for Lou, his once friend randomly showed up and INSTANTLY started lying while showing more high level(in context of grafe) skills than anyone at his supposed grade should have. While Kai was a friend, it's been 7 years so of course it's gonna raise some huge red flags. He clearly cares about his friends and has taken a leader role amoung them, so of course he's going to confront Kai. Frankly he would have been justified in going to an authority figure stating he suspected Kai might have been taken in by a spy but instead he took it directly to his once friend

David

Glad him and Lou worked that out. I think he'll be an important friend and ally. I chuckled seeing how he freaked out about his race level, but he still has no idea about his profession, his blessings, his true favor level, or other secrets like his storage ring. At least he's ok knowing there's more secrets he's not privy to.

Steph

I Hope we get some crazy ancient magic shenanigans or something. But as always, thank you for the chappy!

Wiggles1

|“It was weird how you reappeared out of the blue, and then you had such high skills. That’s not something that just happens.” "Bruh. I told you I'd come back. I will always have high skills."

Doug Wills

I mean, he's the one that went and found them. All Lou did was try to make sure nothing bad was going to happen to the people he's been trying to keep safe since they were taken from their homes. Hell, he was more than happy to make sure Kai didn't get screwed into some awful contract with a merchant. And he already knew Kai was up to something. If someone just shows up out of nowhere, seemingly when they shouldn't be able to (Kai is 11), and then they are clearly lying to you, why wouldn't you call them on it and be suspicious? He didn't 'owe' him anything, but Kai did what was probably best, just be honest. Lou seems like a good egg.

Eric M

Yes, ruins!

Aidan Geverdt

Nah Lou is looking out for his friends.

Andrew

Thank you!

Jason H.

These last two chapters were frustrating to read for me. Why would he owe his life secrets to childhood friends he hasn't seen in years. Lou just rubs me the wrong way.


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