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🐯 Year of the Tiger (also, I'm back from hiatus!)

🕑 Added 2022-02-02 17:55:24 +0000 UTC
🐯 Year of the Tiger (also, I'm back from hiatus!)

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TV4Fun

> clone incest Sounds like masturbation with extra steps.

TV4Fun

May we both have a better 2022. One thing I noticed playing around in your Evolution of Trust sandbox, in most setups, the always defectors die out quickly, and usually the always-cooperators do too. If however you set up the payments so that on a cooperate/defect, the cooperator receives a small reward while the defector receives a larger award, you will generally see a stable population of always defect and a larger stable population of always cooperate. A sort of codependent relationship emerges between them. I think this pattern is one that occurs many places in life.

Sidekick

> how do you sick fucks feel about human cloning, or consensual adult non-reproductive incest, or clone incest “test everything; hold fast what is good” > Idea flatters me? Accept it. Idea critiques me? Reject it Sounds like your *prediction* was biased towards “intelligent thought” and underestimated the pre-verbal “unconscious” and emotional intelligence. It's only logical (per Predictive Processing) if you are feeling a certain amount of pain, given that your prediction does not match the reality that well. (cf. https://youtu.be/mW9lCnPQ6xs) (cf. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wizard%27s_First_Rule#The_Wizard's_First_Rule - sometimes having a simple axiom, like the Wizard's First Rule, demonstrated in a fantasy setting (which is closer to the child / emotional / evolutionary-older-and-larger intelligence), is helpful in updating predictions). > a bunch of habits trained by very very very short-term reinforcement and punishment Why should humans be that much better than Reinforcement Learning, which spends, like, 100 or 200 million attempts to learn a simple task? (cf. https://www.alexirpan.com/2018/02/14/rl-hard.html) p.s. IMHO, loneliness should be tackled on the level of metaprogramming (to borrow a term from http://nekhbet.leary.csoft.net/biocomputer.pdf). I suspect that you're going the other way - istead of tackling the problem at its code/core you're escaping into the rational thought, which is kind of backwards. Your rational processes would only help if they'll give you tools to (go back to) experiment and change the unconscious. On the other hand, if you want to be motivated, then loneliness, or any amount of social-divergence pain, is good for that. "My only plea is that all artists have to range the full extent of their own lives freely. The rest of the world can censor and bury their private past. We cannot, and so have to remain partly green till the day we die … callow-green in the hope of becoming fertile-green."

Malcolm Ocean

💪 welcome back! There are a lot of us out there who are iterating on better & better positive-sum omni-win games—you'll find the people you're looking for :) One specific response, to this: > My best hypothesis right now for "what humans are like 99% of the time", is "a bunch of habits trained by very very very short-term reinforcement and punishment". You might really dig Perceptual Control Theory, a cybernetic/control-systems-based model of human behavior & learning, which points out how the reinforcement/punishment concepts from behaviorism, while they sort of make sense, are kind of backwards like phlogiston or geocentrism. PCT is one of my all-time favorite models, and very related to eg your Seeing Whole Systems talk I saw you give at Long Now in 2017. Here's an epub of one of the best intros to the model (book is now out of print) https://drive.google.com/file/d/17X2Zdv5q4Mq4rm0BtXpnWftn88E8uLkG/view?usp=sharing

Duncan Lock

Thanks Nicky for continuing to be yourself, doing the hard work and putting it out there for others, much appreciated on many levels. My little microgrant is not conditional on some imagined output schedule - just keep doing what you're doing, when you can. My life is enriched by your life, work and wisdom. Thanks!

Tim S (Banana Juice Tech)

I find it all to easy to be hopeful that they'll do better next time, but at some point it is clear there is a pattern and no real change happening.

Tim S (Banana Juice Tech)

A thought regarding forgiving jerks. I've found this Anki card I added to my deck to have been helpful in re-framing those situations: Scientific criteria for when forgiveness is beneficial, avoiding being a doormat. (1) you and your partner will {{c1::stay together}} and you {{c1::treasure preserving the relationship}}, (2) your partner is not {{c2::likely to repeat the transgression}} or {{c2::hurt you again}}, and (3) your partner {{c3::rarely}} misbehaves, then forgiveness will have positive consequences. quote from "The Myths of Happiness: What Should Make You Happy, but Doesn't, What Shouldn't Make You Happy, but Does" by Sonja Lyubomirsky

Tim S (Banana Juice Tech)

Thanks, Nicky. I appreciate your thoughts. Your re-framing of "Make the world a better place" has got my mind turning. I find it so easy to beat myself up for not doing "enough". I'll try to critically examine my circle of influence and do good within that, instead.

Kris Noble

Nicky, thank you for sharing! I relate hard to what you say about faith in humanity and trying to foster an internal locus of motivation and build a good life for ourselves and the people close to us. I've struggled with that a lot myself in the last few years but you seem to have crystallised it much better than I've been able to. I'd love to see you expand those insights if you're willing and able. I think what you say about anger is very apt too. Anger is a rational response to unreasonable actions, and a valuable tool. I've avoided it for a long time since I was conditioned that it was a suboptimal emotional response but I'm trying to unlearn that, also learning to embrace emotion more in general. Here's to the new year!

Sékioz de Niafre

Really insightful. Your shift (from "Make the world a better place" to "live a meaningful, moral life") reminded me of the "aretaic turn", the conference "Hacia una ética de la generosidad" by Ernesto Castro (where generosity is understood as self-improvement: my surroundings will improve as a byproduct of my own improvement) and the bottom-up philosophy of parecon and other anarchist schools of thought. Thanks for sharing.

Chris K

Holy frack! Can you please start a religion, or something? I want to hear more of this. Sorry you had to go through shit to get to this point. And then again: thanks for sharing - which hopefully gives your shit-walk a purpose and makes you feel better. also: Holy frack! You did a talk for Long Now?! INSANE! I love them and their ideas ever since Anathem (Neal Stephenson) became my favorite book! also: now I am afraid, I might be one of these shit-heads without even knowing. I will keep that in mind and continue to read and understand. Love! (and money) from chris :D ps: can you make patreon make these boxes bigger? It's kind of hard to have a meaningful conversation through a box that has 4.7 lines of size, cannot be resized OR scrolled (!) and that submits when I press enter to start a second paragraph. this UX makes me very sad. But I manage.

Leonardo Taglialegne

*hug* Also, YAY!

Miri

Thank you so, so much for sharing <3 And even more for taking better care of yourself; so that you not just barely survive, but thrive (hopefully - no pressure!) I've been having similar doubts lately, but your reasoning and solution helped me A LOT in easing them. Thank you for existing - and for making my own existence as trans girl so much sweeter <3

Neal McBurnett

I've heard and thought a lot about anger over the last 20 years, and I think you've demonstrated a great way to deal with it. I.e. recognize it as a source of ENERGY, and harness that energy in active, creative ways! Your post is full of vital, passionate, infectious and yet sustainable energy. Brava!

Anthony Pecorella

Thank you Nicky, as always. You're an inspiration to me, and not in a self-loathing "what I cam doing with my life if they can do all of this?" way, but in a "I'm doing great, but look how I can continue to improve and grow!" way. Really looking forward to seeing your 2022!

Rob Beer

*explorable not exploitable 😂

Rob Beer

Hi Nicky, I’ve been a massive fan of your work for your years now. I just wanted to thank you for sharing the pain you’ve been experiencing, it’s a brave thing to be that vulnerable. The work you have done around exploitable explanations is such a gift to the world but I’m really excited for you to explore in whatever direction you travel. Just yesterday I was listening the talk you did for the Long Now foundation. I’ve only just discovered their work after listening to the first chapter of Stewart Brand’s upcoming book ‘The Maintenance Race’. It was amazing looking at Stewart’s Bio page on his website and looking at the winding, procrastinating path he’s taken through life and I can only wish the same for you. Here’s to the year of Nicky Tiger Case. Love and thanks Rob

Michael Forrest

So sorry you’ve been going through this. Anger is difficult because when you’ve suffered it can boil up so quickly that you learn to suppress it. But it’s also a powerful tool, not something to be avoided at all cost. These days I try to recognise opportunities to constructively deploy my anger. To me your post didn’t read “angry” so much as “clear”. 😅 Anyway I upped my pledge from $2 to $5. I can’t wait to see what you do next. ❤️❤️❤️

Eric Willisson

Nicky, I'm glad to hear you're in a good mood now, and I'm surprised by how much I'm looking forward to what you're currently planning (understanding that any given piece may not happen!) After some of your posts during your hiatus, I made peace with the idea that when you came back, if you came back, you might not have decided you wanted to do anything in areas that would interest me. If this plan does work for you and you do even part of what you're saying, I'll be quite happy and count myself lucky. Thank you for sharing these thoughts with us.

Bohdan Dudar

I appreciate you sharing your sincere emotions with us. Glad to hear you are in the good mood and among friends Keep it up this year! 🐯🐯🐯Raaarr!!!🐯🐯🐯

Jorge Arango

Nicky, I'm glad to see you're on your way to addressing the issues that have beset you. While there is much that is wrong in the world, there are also good things — and your work is part of the good stuff. I plan to continue supporting you and look forward to seeing what's next — whenever you're ready to share.

Sid_Cypher

"are carbon atoms inherently sweet, bitter, or in-between?" - oh yes, that's wisdom right there! Solzhenitsyn intentionally lied a lot in his books, by the way, and that is exactly why he was all high-and-mighty "spreading the truth against the lies"(sike!), haha. The best way to retaliate in anger is together with like-minded people. Flash angry mob is fun! (Caution: power reveals your hidden "corruption") The healthiest way to express anger offline is either cripple the fuckers who mess with you, or spill your wrath on the people who stand on the sidelines and watch without helping. Because other strats such as running/hiding/ignoring are not about anger but rather fear/disgust/pride etc. A healthy way to express anger online doesn't exist! Ranting works no better than punching the pillow I guess. Meditate on maximizing regret in the offenders? PS: consensual adult non-reproductive incest is only hot because it's kinda forbidden, make it a normal thing and suddenly it's boring like carbon atoms, just another exercise. PPS: some carbon atoms gain in sweetness by being part of you! when you're bitter, think of your carbon!

Nicky Case

Thank you Dylan & Josh! I'm just trying to make sense of a blaaghhh time, like everyone is. I'm just "sharing my notes" to compare & learn from others, too!

Solène

Thank you for sharing your thought! They find a lot of resonance with me, since I want to see the world getting better and am not sure how I would fare I'd give up hope that it can get better.

Josh Kushner

I second this. I view it as a micro grant as well. Nicky, I have specifically referenced and utilized your materials both personally and professionally for at least the last 3 years and the insights have had major impacts. So please just keep creating content! No strings attached.

Dylan Meconis

Extreme BLAAAAGH solidarity, Nicky. I really, really appreciated the emotional and intellectual honesty of this post, and feel more challenged and engaged by your conclusions (or lack of them) than I have to most of the COVID-era personal essay thinkpieces. As a supporter, I use Patreon as...sort of a no strings attachment microgrant. It's not based on productivity, or how much I vibe with any one thing that's posted, it's just my own vanishingly tiny, but unmistakably tangible +1.


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