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The Pacers have reached an observation point on defense

🕑 Added 2025-01-08 13:30:01 +0000 UTC
The Pacers have reached an observation point on defense
The Pacers have reached an observation point on defense
The Pacers have reached an observation point on defense
The Pacers have reached an observation point on defense
The Pacers have reached an observation point on defense

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Caitlin Cooper

I will forever be grateful to the readers/commenters at Indy Cornrows, who supported, shared, and engaged with my work -- going all the way back to when I was submitting fan posts in the summer of 2013, hoping they might ask me on to write full-time. Without them, I wouldn't be able to do this now. Very happy to have you!

Caitlin Cooper

If he can master the timeliness aspect, I actually think Mathurin has a bit more potential in that regard because of his physical tools. That said, this scheme accentuates Haliburton's strengths, as he is more often active on the weak-side with more closeouts and opportunity to flutter into passing lanes.

Northeast Nightmare

Hi CC, big fan since you were the mysterious C. Cooper on Indycornrows. It took me far too long to join your Patreon but happy to be here gobbling up content from my favorite Pacers analyst!

Aggrey Kitila

great piece Caitlin! Do you think there’s any untapped utility with tyrese as a more frequent rim helper or is his knack for sharp contests more gimmicky and limited to the 3pt line?

Caitlin Cooper

Hey all, I had to make a quick edit on the back-court pressure numbers. With no back-court defenders, the Pacers have allowed 1.163 points per possession. That was a typo on my part, sorry for any confusion. The point that they have been better with at least one back-court defender than no back-court defenders still holds, though. Enjoy the article!

Caitlin Cooper

This one was a multi-day project, so I'm glad you enjoyed it

Jeff Hasser

I thought I would just have a nice quick(ish) post to read, but pleasantly surprised at the depth for the post today. I can't ever remember a time where it feels like the Pacers' defense has evolved so much in such a short period of time mid-season. Obviously, you have articulated why in your article, but I'm really impressed by the schematic evolution from the coaching staff and effort and implementation from the players. Great work as always!

Kyle Taylor

Totally. One of the hardest things for me personally is identifying the tipping point when when something is no longer a statistical aberration/(un)lucky streak likely to end soon vs. a genuine trend/new level that will persist. I default to overall averages with larger sample sizes because it's usually most accurate. But the emphasis there is on the "usually" and knowing when you're in unusual times is very hard to reliably get right. With Indy's defense, we've seen so much bad for years (or, at best, inconsistency), including from many of these same guys all calendar year 2024, that I started out firmly on "aberration" when things began to shift but between the duration of this run, opponent quality, and seeing these clips/watching games, I feel nudged closer and closer to acknowledging the possibility of a more enduring new level. Most importantly, there are common sense reasons things have changed (Nembhard's not injured, the Pacers don't have to play the guys they expected to be in the G-league, and they had a lot of time off to get the coaching right). I'm still not all the way there to be honest, but seeing stuff like this piece, the stats on points allowed on drives, etc. keep pushing me in the direction that maybe, just maybe, the defense has moved beyond terrible, and even beyond merely bad, and into some new, as yet uncharted territory I last associated with the Pacers many years ago.

Caitlin Cooper

That's what I wrote in last month's mailbag when asked about the defensive rating from the starters, and was hopefully intimated here as well. The holes are still the holes, but they are doing a better job of masking them during the regular season.

Kyle Taylor

It really does feel like ~everything has been a bit better post-NBA cup, and your detailed cataloguing points to exactly what those things are and why. Very cool piece! Myles's recent comment about the team just caring more about the defensive end was very revealing, both for what it says now and what it says about the first quarter of the season. I'm personally a bit skeptical about the *degree* to which the stats say things are better: the defensive rating numbers in particular (league-best among 5-man units having played at least 150min together) feel too good to be true based on what I'm watching from the Pacers (and having watched some of those OKC and BOS 5-man units the Pacers are ahead of). Your shot quality stats suggest some mean reversion there is likely, but the question is how much. It's clear the defense is better, and probably above league average when the starters play, but best in the association feels like quite a stretch.


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