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How a more physical NBA could affect the Pacers

🕑 Added 2024-10-03 12:45:01 +0000 UTC
How a more physical NBA could affect the Pacers
How a more physical NBA could affect the Pacers

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Thomas

You allude to it but the ball movement and general efficiency of the offense plays a huge part for the overall low foul rate. For all of the handwringing about favoritism towards the Lakers their stars are constantly looking to finish through contact. The Pacers are looking to generate as many uncontested looks as they can. Just looking at rim attempts is still an apples to oranges comparison.

Caitlin Cooper

That's largely where I land, too. I more so wanted to explore "why is this team that is living in the paint barely getting to the line." - since that was a prominent question among fans during the season. With so much of that being tied to transition, the free throw rate seems like a fine trade-off. Early offense is the best offense. Last season, the Pacers shot 55.4 percent during the first third of the shot-clock, 51.4 percent during the middle third, and 42.2 percent during the final third. As long as the physicality doesn't lead to more teams playing full-court pressure (which, again, is grueling and requires depth), the potential dip in an already low free-throw rate or the ability to get downhill probably shouldn't be overly concerning.

rug

i just can't convince myself there's a reason to be concerned with the offensive side of the ball with the rule changes. they do signal good things for the way Andrew Nembhard and Aaron Nesmith defend, even TJ being a pest is enabled. I also wonder how a guy like Isaiah Jackson fairs.

Caitlin Cooper

Based on what I know of how Haliburton moves and what I tracked, I don't think the decline in drives had much to do with the league's increased physicality; I think it was mainly the injury and the fact that he wasn't playing out of picks as often. Although I concede, as hinted in the article, that there might be a separate durability question. The fact that their transition game largely wasn't affected also leads me to believe that the paint-to-great scenario won't be as pronounced, especially with how wide their gaps are and the way they avoid long-run ball-screens. Maybe that changes if more teams embrace playing full-court press, but that's grueling and requires depth.

Kyle Taylor

There's a player-level discussion and a team-level discussion here. On the player front, my basic intuition is this: Which kind of player is likely to adapt better to a league with more contact -- the player who seeks contact to create separation and/or get their defender off balance, the player who seeks contact to draw fouls, or the player who does what they can to avoid contact in the first place. I personally think the first kind of player is best; they're prepared for contact and know how to manipulate it. I think this probably more true in the playoffs than the regular season, and I'll fully acknowledge a personal stylistic bias for this kind of player. The second will see their efficiency decline and have to develop counters. The third is in a better position than the second, but you truly can't avoid contact in the NBA. Siakam and Nembhard are more the first type; Mathurin, probably the second; Tyrese, the third. (Note: I conflated 'being comfortable with contact' to being *successful* dealing with it in my first post; Mathurin was comfortable, but definitely not successful, in year 2.) For Ty, my worry is that over the course of a whole season, given his play style and build, increased physicality leads to giving up the ball earlier, fewer drives, and marginally greater risk of injury/wear and tear for a guy whose history suggests he may be more susceptible to those things. This leads to the team story. You're totally right that last year, pre- and post-2/8, there was no change in the Pacers' team offensive rating. As a team, you definitely don't want to be reliant on foul-drawing if the league is trending more physical, with fewer fouls. I personally chalk that success up more to adding Siakam around that time than anything else, but there were a lot of factors here. To the extent I have any team-level concerns, it's that the offense has generally functioned best when Tyrese has the ball in his hands and the team is getting 'paint to great' touches; I think in a more physical league, that is slightly less likely to happen, and/or the team will need to develop new ways to get paint to great that don't rely on Tyrese's ability to drive.

Caitlin Cooper

Probably land on the opposite side of this. As noted in the article, the offense kept whirring regardless of the change in officiating -- it, as a whole, isn't dependent on drawing fouls, so long as the ball moves. Mathurin's game has more potential to be hampered if more gets let go. <30% passing on drives means there are too many inefficient FGA (as seen by his dip in finishing), which will get exacerbated against increased contact/driving into crowds.. Siakam can play through contact and also move the ball. (As an aside, Carlisle noted on the radio that Haliburton has added between 15-17 pounds of muscle since being traded to Indiana.)

Kyle Taylor

Tyrese post-2/8 is tricky to parse, as you note. But his game is much more about finesse and manipulation than physicality, and while he didn't put on 15 pounds of muscle in the offseason, he will probably have to eventually. His game may always lean 'frictionless' but he's got to develop more comfort in uncomfortable spaces. All of which to say: I worry his game is not as well-suited to greater physicality, whereas other players on the team either seek it out at times and/or have more effective counters to it, like Nembhard, Mathurin, and Siakam.


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