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Avin

You guys are cracking me up with your commentary on the hate emails. “Puffer B”😂But seriously, I’m so sorry you’re being threatened and called these awful names. Love and appreciate you.

Moo2

Who's BM?

Maechelle

Once again, I just want to say leave little head space for the “keypad clowns”, and remember your fans love you both

ApotheKaren

Link?

ApotheKaren

Brilliant comment; I totally agree, but couldn't have stated it with such elegance. Lauren & Dr. John are so insightful, both independently and as a team. So appreciative of them and this wonderful community.

Jessica Burdon

You’re both so professional and competent. It’s refreshing. Don’t stop what you’re doing. You’re both appreciated.

KJN

I’ve been following Melanie Little covering the Karen Read trial and have pretty much agreed with her coverage but she is totally defending Richard Allen🤷‍♀️🤷‍♀️ I can’t even watch her anymore! Then there’s Attorney Andrea Burkhart 💯% defending RA. She’s even volunteering to help with his appeal!! I can’t watch her either. So I will be watching Hidden True Crime on the RA case. Can’t wait for you to cover the sentencing and what’s in the gag order once it’s released. I would love for you to turn the threats you’ve received in to LE. They should be prosecuted. That’s frightening…. Be careful even when you get home, carry bear spray.

Anna Aristidou

I’m so sorry you get these awful messages, there are some horrible people out there. You are gorgeous Lauren, and your gems love you 🥰

Moon Child

I’m so sorry you have to deal with threats. It’s a sad world we live in.

Evelyn

I just got caught up on the verdict and I wanted to take the chance to thank both of you for your coverage and braving the (to me unexpected) storms that came with it. Lauren, you did phenomenal! I'm still dazzled by your ability to take so accurate and detailed notes (in another life, you could have been an outstanding court-reporter) and relating them to us after each long and challenging day. Maybe some day you might reveal your secret to note taking to us?? ;-) And to Dr. John I want to say thank you so much for the bigger context you offer on a case that, at first glance, seems just too tragic to even contemplate motives and history and how this fits into our world. Because, unfortunately, it does, it has to. And btw after Dr. John's reference to Oedipus Rex I went and watched the current production of the play (an adaptation) in London. It was phenomenal :-) Please, take care of yourselves and take time to recover. All the best!

laurane stevenson

There are many cases where one person has overpowered two children for example here in the uk Ian Huntley overpowered two girls without a gun! They’re clutching at straws as there is no defence! I don’t understand how anyone can believe he is innocent i have no doubt of his guilt

Annapurna Duleep

That one young nurse hid under the bed and/or played dead. She's a hero for surviving to testify against Speck.

Annapurna Duleep

I knew that letter would have the wrong your/you're.

Lyndsay Thompson

It is disgusting that anyone would comment on your physical appearance, Lauren. I am so sorry you are experiencing this. That’s just misogyny, and there is no need to defend yourself. Dr. John, you are spot on about the denial of some people. To admit that someone like RA could do something this random and brutal this is to admit that you have no way of predicting it and protecting yourself. And a lot of people can’t handle that kind of unpredictability in life.

Chiara

The email threats are unreal! Lauren, you are a journalist doing your job (thank you)! Dr. John, thank you for your insight and perspective on the case! So glad you notified law enforcement! Please keep you and your family safe! This is so upsetting to hear as a listener that a journalist and a mental health professional cannot verbalize their opinion (based on fact and years of experience)! Thank you both for all you do!

Deanna White

Thank you I will look into that… I have four adult children and then my 12 yr old surprise! I often think times are so different but in actuality they are not… time changes but sick people never change. Sadly…. I’m grateful to have more knowledge to protect my little girl!❤️

Emily Flotilla

It's hard to fathom, i know, but i believe it. Have you ever heard of Richard Speck? He killed 8 student nurses in Chicago in the 1960's. Sick people out there.

Belinda

I’m so sorry you had to go through threats and horrible human behavior while in Delphi. You could’ve left in fear but you stayed. Bless you. Btw you are beautiful Lauren. People get jealous and say absurd hurtful things. Thank you for your faithful coverage.

Moo2

You know in the Bible, Satan was the most beautiful angel before he became Satan, his beauty never changed. He is exceptional, we made him out with a pitch fork, but that just isn't the truth

Ronda Husereau

I’m so glad I was with you both during this trial. Vallow was good but we pretty much knew the outcome after everything. This has been the most divisive trial I’ve ever seen. Thanks so much for all your hard work and sacrifices. Both of you. ❤️❤️❤️

Karina

I watched BM and AB this whole trial but thought they were biased for the defense. AB now seems to want to plant in people's minds reasonable doubt about Brian Kolberger's case, which is unbelievable to me! She has managed to brainwash G from Grizzly True Crime on the Delphi case, but I don't think she will manage to do so in the Idaho 4 case (hopefully), because she can be really manipulative with her words. One speech from her and it can leave your head spinning!

Karina

Profiler Pat Brown mentioned something about a cousin of hers who committed suicide and had what her mother called "short man syndrome" in her channel on a video about RA, too, also I had a very short guy (he'd be tiny in any Asian country today) who I rejected in HS, who was very creepy (tried to kiss me even after I rejected his advances) he went on to hate me and spread rumors for the rest of my four years there, even though I was 13, and even if I were attracted to him, I am a timid autistic person who would only get a real boyfriend at 21! I don't want to generalize, but I think some short guys really grow to resent women.

Kim Morgan

People want to believe that every killer is 8 feet tall, has horns and a tail, and carries a pitchfork. But that's not the case.

Jeanne Gent

Lauren, you will always be my favorite puffer b. In the most loving funny sense. Seriously you and John make the "stranger in to the woods" part of the world more open to daylight. As horrendous as it is, it is better to see it for what it is. That Richard Allen is the small, little, sad embodiment of evil. It points to something that I have always felt that after all, evil is banal. Just banal and ugly. That is what is hard to believe. A kind of "Is that all there is?" feel to it. That these poor little girls did not deserve to be characters in a psychodrama. That their sweet lives paid for a sad little dependent misfit's hurt and rage. But our need for it to have meant more or be more dramatic makes it harder to see. Psychologically it makes sense. There are damaged people whose actions have horrific consequences. I do not see him as a psychopath though. John, what is your opinion on that? There may be a little flavor of sociopathy in his psychoses while confined IF he was staging it. But I tend to think eating feces as a tool of performance is something not often seen. Or maybe it happens. I don't know. Then there is the remorse, stated repeatedly. I do not see lack of conscience. Thank you guys. And thanks for the deeper meaning explanation, John. That is what I like about your analyses. Your willingness to go to Oedipus, Freddy Krueger, little Red Riding Hood to make more sense of the sad horrors of life.

Desiree P.

Wow was this worth the join! You guys are so awesome! Thank you for all of your hard work and expertise! 🤍

Marie Pintler

I think you are both great. Lauren did a great job reporting. Thank you. I am so happy the girls received Justice.

Erik Emmer

Interesting. Can definitely see elements of Roskulikov in RA while he was in prison and his conscience was wearing on him.

Patrice Shepherd

Does the gag order pertaining to the jury too?

Paul Maher Jr

Dr. John, have you ever drawn any inspiration from Dostoevsky's depiction of self-knowledge in terms of guilt and redemption? I feel strong associations between Delphi case and Crime & Punishment, except RA wasn't trying to kill for society's betterment.

lil

I think both of them were undressed, and Abby lost some of her clothes when they crossed the creek I think he injured Libby first, but not yet lethal. She was grabbing her wound while he attacked Abby. I think he allowed Abby to dress because her body looked much younger compared to Libby's. She had lost her clothes on the creek, that’s why she was wearing Libby’s. He said he thought they were older and only realized how young they were when they were naked. Abby didn’t touch her wound because she was lying on her stomach- the same way suspects are held down when police arrest them- that's the only thing that would make sense. After that, he attacked Libby again. Just as he said “he made sure they were dead”

No Bs

Thank you Lauren and John. It was a journey living this trial through your coverage on YouTube. It is hard to see all the defense attorneys coverage and their rabid followers. Reminds me of the Salem witch trials. I have no doubt of his guilt. As soon as I saw the arrest photo of RA he looked like BG. Really the first sketch was pretty good as well. I am a survivor of an attack from a man I thought was creepy at the AMPM down from my house at 13 years old. Also my best friend was also there. We got away. It was in the middle of a suburban neighborhood just after dark. I can tell you I had a perfect image of the perpetrators nose and profile. I got the color of the shirt wrong and type of pants as well. My friend actually did better with the clothes. I got the age wrong but I got the car right. That is how the officers caught him. Then in the line up it was easy. All I am pointing out is working with a sketch artist is so hard. But the eyes and nose of the sketches and RA look alike. Also when you look at the height of tree tops on the bridge, he doesn’t look much taller if any taller than Abby on bridge. Lastly, I was touched inappropriately like so many other girls by a family friend while I was sleeping. I was awake but continued to pretend I was sleeping. Strangely I never wanted to tell anyone. In fact I would have been mortified if it got out to anyone else. I blocked it from my mind after I wrote it in my diary. I forgot about the incident until I looked at my diary 30 years later. RA’s daughter I bet never told anyone. It would have been to mortified. Thank you for covering this trial.

Deanna White

I’ve learned so much from you guys! I want to thank you for your honesty and perspectives on this case. I felt for so long how could he do this alone with 2 girls. Your comments and opinions made it make sense. I wanted him to be innocent and on the other hand wanted the girls to have justice. Not seeing the trial I don’t think I got all details as I listened to your you tube it came together. On your last you tube I had to come here to be able to hear all the rest of what you had to say. It felt heavy to me daily and I think it will be a bit before I can watch another. I have a 12 yr old girl. My daughter would do what ever an adult with a gun wanted her to. Our kids are taught to listen to all grown ups. She would feel she had to do whatever is told with an adult having a gun just hoping he wouldn’t shoot her. Just thank you so much. My daughter and I have talked along time about this! Thank you!

Mindy

Dr John The monon is an old railroad that runs through the entire state and has been turned into a walking trail throughout the state. I question RA and his remorse since he continued to feed his fantasies through his online searches that he may have gone outside his county to other monon trails to commit another crime

Jessica Dawn

New joiner - thank god someone’s saying this about 1 person overpowering 2 girls . The idea people think it can’t happen is crazy . I’m an adult and I don’t know what I would do if a gun was pointed at me .

Mindy

I wonder if Libby was more defiant since her injuries were more brutal and she was left naked

Abby

Same!!!

Christina Vakaros-Howe

Without Hidden reporting verbatim what happened in court I would have never fully trusted any verdict drawn from such secretive court proceedings. I had so much reasonable doubt until the end of the trial, then I knew he was the guy. Hidden provided a public service by taking notes and staying determined to find the truth. It helped me so much, and this is why I’m on Patreon now. Thank you.

Basia

Thank you for not allowing yourselves to be swayed by whoever you were approached by to sway Public Opinion, I'm now wondering if other YouTubers have also been approached to instil 'conspiracy theories' by Defence Attorneys or whoever has requested this of you. I'm really happy to hear you did not buy into RA innocence, that would take away your whole purpose for supporting the victims & their families, it's quite disgusting to know. Can you expand on how this evolved, as in how & who you were approached & what their expectations were of you? Does it have something to do with your channel growth, are you offered a manager then certain expectations are placed on you? I know Grizzly True Crime has bought into this narrative too, which really upset me especially because it makes out that LE & the Prosecution are somehow railroading RA when they are not. Thank you for your perspective, facts and continuous growth when dealing with True Crime. Take care of each other & above all stay safe xxxx

Abbey

Exactly, refer to cases such as the lane Bryant murders in which 5 adults were controlled by a gunman. If several adults can be think of 2 literal children 💔

Diana Rubia

Sorry that you’re dealing with nasty creeps😞 I asked a younger person what a “puffer B” is 🤷‍♀️ “it’s a silicone Barbie” according to them. A Jealous person definitely wrote that because they’ll never be the Lady with Class that you are❣️

Debe Hale

Thank you Lauren and Dr. John for diving deeper into the psyche of criminal behavior, and what it means to “confess.” I’ve been a hidden gem and a Patreon member for a year and I’ve learned so much from the community. I’d be a place holder, coffee runner, little guy sitter ANYTIME you need an extra hand 🤗 (although I live in MA).

Debe Hale

Karen, this truly is another Greek tragedy.

ShaRee

Sorry you’ve dealt with these threats. 😢

Jenna Griffith

Jokes aside, I love your channel. I’m really grateful for the insight you both provide. Can’t wait to see what else you guys present regarding this case and others.

Jenna Griffith

I’m happy to crowd fund your plastic surgery any time hahaha

laurieintexas

Just finished listening. It is heartbreaking that folks have been so cruel to both of you. I am grateful to now understand after listening to Dr John that humans just can't bear to believe that another human could do such horrible, horrible things to children. Thank you for sharing yourselves in such a raw and personal way to see this through. Fly free Abby and Libby ❤️ PS - my crowd funding check is in the mail 😉

GardenGirl

I just joined your Patreon, you both are the best. I relied exclusively on your reporting during trial, it was too hard to listen to anyone else with their heavy slants/bias. I couldn't discern evidence unless I was listening to you, or become informed. Love, a fellow puffer 🐝

James

Yes, there are absolutely crazy people out there. Moreso in this case than any other I’ve seen. I’ve worked a lot of armed security at high risk facilities and have come into contact with many of these people. But specific to the Delphi case, yes, there are many people that seem to be convinced that little Ricky is innocent and they’re willing to commit acts of violence to prove their point. For some reason, defense attorneys that run their own YouTube channels are having a really bad impact on this.

Moo2

James first THANK YOU for keeping our country safe! Sometimes I get really angry at us, but remember freedom comes at a price and I thank you for that! Second wow! How awesome you are to offer up your services to HTC, there are some real wack a doo's out there for our PUFFY bee 🐝

Spring20

I’ve been following your channel since the inception with Daybells and I’ve never seen such crazy chat comments. You both managed it well and I love how you protect one another. Thank you for your continued work to keep these kinds of cases transparent and to help the victims find justice❤️❤️❤️❤️

James

One thing I learned when I was in the military, I had a couple really short drill Sargents, really short. I called it the little man syndrome. They were vicious and extremely angry. I’ve always said that RA was mad at the world for being short.

James

Lauren, will you be going back for the verdict? If necessary, I’d be happy to provide security for you. These threats don’t go over well with me. This sounds like something Rick Snay would send.

Karina

Hi Lauren and John! I bought a membership to your Patreon and your YouTube channel because I was outraged at how people reacted to your opinions! I love your show and was open-minded when I started following this case, but I came to agree he was guilty in the end! Furthermore, I haven't renewed my membership to my previously favorite True Crime channel because I think the creator is, at best, brainwashed by defense attorneys on YouTube, and at worst, supporting RA for views (though I hope that's not the case), I guess I need some time away from that channel. Glad to become a Hidden Gem!

jean Saylor

you are the best! If you need a bed and breakfast next time let me know!!! 😊

Lauren and John Matthias

Thank you so much for being here and for such kind words!❤️

jean Saylor

Lauren, I have been obsessed with listening to you and your sweet husband covering this case. I know Libby's family and would have been in the search but had to work. I run a CVS near Delphi and live 15 minutes from Delphi so this is SO close to my heart. I have listened to you all week last week through the day of verdict. I just wanted to hug you when you were at the court house. I think you two are SO professional and appreciate your coverage and hard work on this most difficult case ❤️ YOU are the Gem!💎

Kylee

I am very interested to hear more of Dr. John’s thoughts on why the Delphi case has become so polarizing. I find that aspect of all this fascinating. I can’t imagine the the closed off nature of the trial helped matters, but I watch plenty to know that if that was the judge’s prerogative, then she had every right to keep cameras out. I noticed that there is this campaign to compare Richard Allen to Karen Read, and what’s been going on in Massachusetts. If anybody is familiar with the Karen Read trial, and the alleged corruption of the Commonwealth, then you might understand why this comparison is ludicrous. This is my personal opinion, but I do believe that Karen Read has been framed. But the thing is, there is plenty of evidence to suggest a motive as to why there could be a coverup in the John O’Keefe case. I find a hard time understanding what the motives of the Delphi police might have, especially when you compare what actually took place. Richard Allen was charged with kidnap, sex crimes, and double murder. Karen was charged with drunk driving manslaughter. Those are glaringly different.

Colleen Bruce

Btw, I believe a puffer is a UK term relating to oral sex/homosexuality. Even then it doesn’t make any sense to call you that

Colleen Bruce

I can only imagine the hate you have faced Lauren. I made one comment on X that wasn’t combative or rude, I said RA’s words convicted him and I was attacked by a lot of psychos. They wished harm (torture) on my son, told to GFY, all kinds of awful stuff. It’s interesting not even one combatted the evidence, it was personal attacks. You don’t deserve it. By the way, you’re beautiful, smart, kind and amazing at your job. Please ignore the trolls and hateful people.

Colleen Bruce

His defense lawyers went so far as to leak crime scene photos of the girls to these YouTubers. I see why Judge Gull wanted them gone. It’s obvious they are working in their own self interest and not Richard Allen’s

Solitude_Lover

Say RA chooses to provide a confession of what happened instead of dragging the families though decades in the appeal courts-what is he going to have to say given the vitriol surrounding previous confessions? Will every confession hence forth be labelled a false memory?

Solitude_Lover

do you think it coincidence RA only reported remembering seeing the 3 teenage girls on the trail to the bridge? He was there looking for teenage girls, it's BS he thought Abby and Libby were older

Christine

Very telling YouTube video by a woman who worked under RA at Walmart

Christine

https://youtu.be/FYdL4Js16gQ?si=z2ppGdjUv5Zh7dwA

Sueannweir

So glad I joined. Dr John I appreciate the authenticity of your work and Lauren your amazing. Even though it’s hard, giving the girls a voice is WHAT is most important .

Mary Hatchet

My question, does it help?!?! I have disabilities too, absolutely including migraines, which I’ve wondered if they would respond to Botox. I actually have this .003% part of my mind that wonders if MAYBE it’ll help a wrinkle somewhere…? I hope you’re feeling better today ❤️

LoopyLil

OMG I HAVE JUST JOINED !! THAT WAS INCREDIBLE ! THANK YOU SO VERY MUCH XXXX

Cynthia Jagneaux

The girls were so young. They had no experience with that kind of thing & were so frightened. They probably thought if they screamed he would shoot them. Thought if they complied - they would get away alive.

Cynthia Jagneaux

My first patreon. My first thought about the.

Courtney Alexander

Exactly my train of thought as well.

Terrie

Hello Luna I you respect your opinion. I’m glad you are here and able to bring a different perspective. I look forward to the court documents that will be released to public after his sentencing. It will give me more to view. I hope you have a great day. 🌿

Jane Marie

Yes it definitely iisn't ethical but unfortunately there are too many unethical people getting away with unthinkable deeds. Gosh our world is getting nutter and nuttier!

Jane Marie

I find it absolutely outrageous that a lawyer, or lawyers would pass notes to anyone, excluding possible family or assistants..even more outrageous that it was a You Tuber. Beyond that he exclaims he will be "using" YT members to push his initiative. I'm blown away with his thinking and truly believe we will need a order from the Judge saying that lawyers are not to watch or solicit info ( or entice a riot) which is very real possibility..to me anyways. Those hate emails are also confusing. You don't push your narrative or any narrative in my opinion. Your reporting what is being said in the court room and it comes across that way..I keep thinking they must have you mixed up with someone else. 🤔 It must be scary for you and that sucks..im glad you and John can also laugh at those people. Can hardly wait to hear the interview your planning for today hope it works out. Get some well needed rest and relaxation you deserve it big time. Big hugs.🤗🤗

Amanda Lyons

Question for John: what would be the main demarcation points between DPD and OCPD (not OCD) or even vulnerable/covert NPD? They all stem from attachment trauma, and I’m just curious if there is another diagnosis that fits more closely. On the PAI plus and the PDS my ex husband scored strongly for NPD and OCPD traits; (PAI invalidated as “false good” profile) and both scores on the PDS being clinical, with the SDE being pathological (86). Now a few years later away from the divorce trauma, I lean more towards OCPD.

Amanda Lyons

Lauren, I’m just really glad that you’ve got an amazing, intelligent empathetic husband. Vicarious trauma is real, and I know you’ve already been through this for JJ and Tylee, but the polarisation in this case is so intense it adds a new layer to everything. When the cortisol from anxiety, late nights, pressure to perform impartially this is all going to hit you like a freight train. Please be super kind to yourself - and listen to whatever wonderful advice your husband gives! - with love from an Australian ICU Nurse.

Katara

Given RA’s dependent personality disorder, there seem to be several behaviors that may indicate a need for recognition (even negative attention) as a motive: repeated confessions to wife/mother, his admissions escalating to threats of widespread violence, his comment about “starting WWIII” (desire to inflate the significance of his actions). Do you see any significance to this as a motive for his confessions?

Frankie van Rooyen

Thank you Dr. John for talking some sense! I got very frustrated listening to Lauren’s (great btw) coverage because I felt there was so much misunderstanding, including how we diagnose psychosis, and the definition of solitary confinement. They needed you on the stand to explain things! Thank you for your clear, logical and I believe accurate analysis. And thank you so much Lauren for making the sacrifices you did to be there to bring us detailed coverage. Btw I am a medical doctor with a graduate degree in psychology/neuroscience. So I was getting very frustrated with some of the incorrect things I was hearing in the trial! 🤣

Terrie

Agree 💯 with you Laura

Rna B

I completely agree with Dr John. The attorneys are giving Kathy and the Allen family false hope. And I saw Motta insert himself 🤢! Could it be any more obvious?!? I guess only those who pay attention notice. It's sick. Y'all just say/ confirm everything I'm thinking. Love you two! Grateful for you both!

Madi🤍

Puffer “Bee” is the new delicate Venus flytrap

Scorpio Butterfly

Lauren, I came from a physical and metal abuse home. Reading body language has became apart of ver·bi·age language ii learned read as to Z! Be Blessed Scotwhen it was okay to stay or run. Your face language along with your body language. Was very concerning to me. I knew without knowings that something wasn’t right. The day that the guy walked by while you was showing the line and signs, that had hateful words as he passed you, some of the verb·ages was the same as the email and it made the hair stand up on my arms and gave me cold chills. Lauren be careful?

Alicia Reed

I was molested by my brother when I was a child. I am now 56 years old and 2 years ago my husband asked me if I had been molested by my brother, and bcuz I’ve kept it to myself my whole life, my initial response was to say no to my husband, and then right after I said I lied. I’m wondering if RA daughter is maybe doing the same thing?

Trucrimegirl

I will never understand why people write hateful texts and emails.

Heidi

Urban dictionary says a puffer is a pot smoker who doesn’t pass the joint. Puffer bitch doesn’t bring up anything on urban dictionary (I use it a lot to research what my middle school students are saying).

Alice

I'm so happy I found you all. Haters will hate and no matter what, you have way more people who are behind you and Dr. John. They only hate because you're bringing the truth and they don't like it. People know the truth when they hear it and that's why the jury said he's guilty. I've never subscribed to patreon, I had to do it cause I'll like what you guys are about. ❤️

Trucrimegirl

I’m appreciative of your reporting. I felt like he was guilty. I listened to you and several defense lawyers retelling of the case. I was surprised at how gullible everyone was to believe absolutely everything the defense said. I think the jury got it right. Thanks Lauren and John for the other side.

Kathleen Suter

Lauren & Dr John, You both do fantastic, Nuetral, Carefully Investigated, Case Coverages. Bravo!! Excellant! I thought a Puffer was a winter coat!!!?? LOL My husband played Pro Hockey for 20 years & we got plenty of hateful, detailed death threat letters right to our homes etc I took everyone 1 of them seriously to this day I still have them in our personal papers & this was before phones, cameras & keyboards We literally had death threats from psychos with their home addresses on return envelopes. Yes They all got a visit from Law Enforcement & they did NOT care! Sicko Puffers I say!! Kathy Suter

Interestedparty1

the story though draws us in to safely try to discern what we would do in the same situation

Interestedparty1

Lauren you are a lovely woman- so sincere in your work

Interestedparty1

I seem to recall Hugh talked about at the time of the golden state killer- there was a community meeting that one man stood up and said if that guy tries his house he's got another thing coming (or something similar) and the gs-killer must have been present because that mans home was attacked.

Interestedparty1

you must be careful it's not really funny

Interestedparty1

Lauren glad you found someone to partner with for a little more safety.

Interestedparty1

A gun plus children really- barely out of 6th grade- they didn't know what might happen or what to do as things unfolded. But for Libby having the presence of mind to video-

Daz Larson

As a local, I’m so grateful for your unbiased, all/m-encompassing coverage. I will be at Richard Allen’s sentencing on December 20th, and I tried to be a line-sitter for you but your contact person never replied to my question asking for clarification on the start time a week ago, so please know that I will line-sit for you if you intend to be there in-person. I so appreciate you and Dr. John for being so professional as not to be influenced by the “narrative”, but only by the verified facts!

Laura Robichaux

OMG!!! Lauren. So sorry you had to deal with such hate. I know you had to have been terrified to go to sleep. Regardless of anyone’s stance it should never get taken to this point. I am so sorry that you had to endure this. Thank you for being there and reporting.

TN Laura

Kathy, They explain it toward the end of the episode — it’s a saying (meant to be insulting and derogatory) from some hate email that they received. The threat should be seriously considered, but sometimes we also need to bond through humor, even dark humor, when discussing such horrible crimes.

anatomyscholar

I sure hope so, because this man is a predatory monster, Libby and Abby, will not be his last, they would have died in vain. I refuse to accept that outcome. As a public I do believe we have the right to protest an appeal. Don't quote me on that. I am more on the psychological side than law.

Maria Albanese

What got me the most is when Dr. John said he confessed 61 times and how many more times until someone believes him?! 1000, 10,000?! Wow that was powerful to me. Justice was served to those little girls.

Melanie

I didn’t know much about this case for a while and bought into what I was hearing from the defense. I listened to your show before Lauren left for Delphi and what John was saying made so much sense to me. I enjoyed the nightly recaps and the timeline started making more sense. I believe the jury reached the correct verdict. I was the most interested in hearing that Lauren believed Richard Allen sounded like bridge guy. Am I missing where others have heard his voice so they are positive it wasn’t him? Anyway, I have ditched the channels that led me astray and am excited to be here. Thanks for all you do, Lauren and John!!

Heather Elise Voiselle

Thank you Lauren for all you did for us and this world by being non-biased and reporting the facts of this case! As well as sacrificing your precious time with your son, husband, other family members, and friends! I don’t think many people realize how short life can be and actually is. You spent over 17 days being absolutely consumed by nothing other than this case and for that I and I know many others are so thankful for. I know that this case will forever change you since it was such a heavy one! Also, thank you to Dr. John for standing by your wife’s side and supporting her dreams and ambitions, you both are a testament as to what a healthy marriage should look like! God bless you both as well as your son!Please know and always remember that no matter what anyone says, you did a hell of a job with this case and truly showed the world what non-biased coverage of this case looks like! People are so used to the mainstream media pushing a narrative and you didn’t do that! I am proud to be a member of your community and it’s an honor to be a Hidden True Crime Gem! Much love from Louisiana, Heather Elise!

KB

It is also interesting to explore your own thoughts when you feel angry and react more strongly than others in a particular situation. There is a reason we are triggered and looking within will give you your answer.

LLemon

I was thinking the same thing. Actually, one of the lives Lauren had wifi difficulties, I literally said aloud (to no one) “that’s why the messages were messed up!” It happens to me at work a lot because we can’t have phones and the signal blows.

KB

I totally agree. Without getting into religion, I’ve often wondered why those that are Christians have such a hard time with Atheists, and Atheists don’t seem to have a hard time with those that are Christian. I’ve often thought it has to do with fear. P.S I am not here to debate this with anyone, this is just my personal experience in my own family.

Cat Lady

I am so sorry for the threatening, toxic and menacing emails. Lauren, you are beautiful inside and out. You and DrJ have such integrity. It is a rare commodity these days. Dr.J thanks for your breakdown of RA’s confessions. You had me convinced at the beginning of the trial. I hope you both can take some time to relax, regroup and just enjoy being together as a family again. Thank both for your sacrifices in covering this story.

Pia Pedersen

The abuse is so shocking. Please take care of yourselves.

Ashley MacVeigh

All I'm going to say is that I don't like the b**tch word, but if y'all want To get some merchandise branded with "Puffer Babe" I will be the first in line to stock up. Thank you for bearing witness for Libby, Abby, their families, and Delphi.

Bobbi G

Thank you so much for all you do for us. Lauren, I'm sure you're exhausted and I hope you can go home and spend a few days just hanging around the house enjoying your family and drinking herb tea. *lol I actually don't know what you like to drink, but I'm having some right now, and I work from home so everything is looking warm and cozy to me*

Rebecca Hayes

100%. Girls are also most often taught to be compliant. They will just go along even if they’re not sure or uncomfortable with the situation. I think they initially thought they were in trouble just for being on the bridge. Like, this guy is coming after them to tell them the bridge is dangerous and they shouldn’t be there. By the time they realized they were in real danger from him, they were already out of sight of anyone else and down the hill.

Deborrah Dutra

I've listened to ex cons and they all said they were trying to protect him and his treatment was normal and fair considering

andrew hutchison

I didn’t know who you guys were before this trial, I found you a couple days into it and after watching you and other people cover it, decided you were my go to. In the end it was Dr johns assessment of RA mental health and relationships that made things clear for me. I’m sorry you are getting these kind of threats. Unfortunately there is an incentive for people to push other theories. Whether it’s simply gaining followers and attention or hoping for a payout when the movies and books come out. It’s no surprise that KA will continue to fight and deny. After all, Dottie Sandusky still believes Jerry didn’t do anything wrong .

Rebecca Israel

And sorry to bring in politics, but this discussion over what people are willing to believe reminds me so much of the election last week. Why are we as people so willing to overlook evidence?

Rebecca Israel

I think the mental health testimony from defense side didn’t do any favors for Richard Allen. Painting him as an anxious, depressed, suppressed man doesn’t make him incapable of this crime. On the contrary, from what I’ve seen and what dr job has explained, he is exactly the type of man with feelings and fantasies that could be unleashed this way.

Erik Emmer

Placing himself at the crime scene, wearing matching clothes of bridge guy, testimony from LE his voice matches bridge guy, and a cartridge matching his gun isn’t enough for you? Oh, and of course the 61 unprompted or coerced confessions. Noteworthy that some of those confessions coming before he has the discovery showing a white van…. To each their own but I just do not understand the lack of evidence stances some people hold to.

Rebecca Hayes

These Defense attorneys are looking for their Jose Baez moment. They’re expecting to make money off the backs of two murdered children. The YouTube creators now pushing the idea that they have great odds of a post conviction appeal are not being honest. Judge Gull actually gave the Defense a fair amount of leeway to defend their client. So much so that she of allowed them to show the hours of video of RA being “abused” and being “psychotic” while not allowing the state to introduce testimony and evidence of RA being violent and threatening the guards. His rights were not violated. There are zero grounds for a successful appeal. He will spend the rest of his life in prison where he belongs.

ktk

They’d rather blame people with air tight alibis.. I mean seriously?? That’s the reasonable doubt??

Lynnette

Thank you so much Lauren for your spectacular coverage of this trial and all the sacrifices you made to bring it to us! I only live an hour and a half from Delphi and really wanted to see the trial but once I found out it was so limited in attendance I gave up. I so appreciate hearing what went on in such detail. Thanks to Dr John as well for his sacrifices and also his great insight on it from a professional perspective. You guys are a godsend!💗

Cristina Ward

I have to respectfully disagree. He didn’t get a chance to rape them, so there was never doing to be dna evidence. Also, the crime was committed in the woods where, swabbing trees and the ground isn’t going to produce much dna evidence. Plus he had 7 years to clean up any evidence in his car or on his clothing. Unfortunately, this isn’t CSI where everything fits perfectly. I think when people telll us who they are we should believe them. I think Richard Allen was telling us who he is with his 61 confessions.

Jen

I am just listening to this and I am so appalled at the email you received. That person should be ashamed and it is so wrong and inappropriate. You are selfless and have been a blessing to so many of us in reporting for us. Blessings to you and your family 💗

Karlien Fourie

Lauren you should make merch called puffer Bee 🐝......I'll be proud to be part of the Puffer Bee Team. But please be carefully.

lil

I don't think Richard Allen was psychotic, but I think a lot of the people who want to free him act psychotic. I go on social media and most of the posts I see are about ''poor Richard''. Abby and Libby are the victims here. The amount of victim shaming I saw in this case, made me lose my faith in humanity. I never thought we would reach a point in society where people proudly advocate for a child murderer to be freed. I can't imagine how this must feel for Abby and Libby's families. People should have a closer look at the creators they follow, one of the creators in Delphi did work with Chris Watt's parents after he had confessed- and tried to tell the public that he was innocent. I wish people would stop encouraging Richard Allen's wife ''to fight''.She is in a state of denial. She doesn't allow him to take responsibility. And all those creators who encourage her, only fuel her denial. Someone should sit her down, and talk to her straight about the facts. Richard Allen has to take responsibility for what he did, and Kathy Allen needs to face reality and allow him to do it.

Michelle Dias

The actions of RA makes me think of a time last year after I went on a neighborhood hike much like the Monon trail. There was a man who was at the bath house who made me feel super uncomfortable just by the way he looked right into me. I don’t get uncomfortable that easy but I am super aware. I knew to never go back to that trail. The feeling I got scared me. Dr John is correct when he says there are people like RA out there laying in wait.

Kathy Geisler

What is a Puffer B?

luna blue

I don't believe he's guilty because of the poor investigation and lack of evidence.

Rena Dwelle

The whole - it had to be more than 1 person blew my mind, as well. In 2016, there was a horrific quadruple murder that happened in my community - committed by 1 man against 4 adults - 3 men, 1 woman - in a matter of 15 minutes. I cannot imagine how scary it was for those girls. They were doing anything they could to survive, I'm certain.

Kathy Geisler

You expressed in words exactly on what I have felt about Richard Allen and this case. I feel sorry for his wife Kathy, it's like her head has been in the clouds when it concerns Richard. I hope that one day those clouds will clear and when they do that she gets the much needed help in dealing with the realization.

Mindy

Saying that one man cannot over power 2 little girls is like saying that a person with a gun cannot hold up a store or bank.

Allison Young

Lauren, you are amazing! I am so thankful you do not take the ignorant hate sent to you by others seriously. That mindset makes them small not you!! Thank you for all your hard work and reporting what you have witnessed and heard. You are appreciated!

Diana Rubia

Lauren, That letter was definitely from a jealous person! They’re not beautiful inside and out, as you are! It’s pathetic how some persons are acting out. Be careful, Chin up, and smile often (they hate that)😁 Love you and Dr John

IslandGirl

Hi Lauren and Dr John. I don't recall hearing about this, but I just saw it on YouTube. It is titled "Richard Allen: Lafayette Walmart Creep." The Channel is Turbo. I found the information interesting and the picture comparison compelling.

Michelle Dias

growing up my older brother‘s always told me to act “crazy “if somebody tried to grab me. Make a scene.

lil

when people ask ''why didn't they scream''- maybe they did, and that's why they were killed. no one knows if they did scream or try to run away.

Michelle Dias

I haven’t been able to read through all the comments and I’ve just gotten about a quarter of the way through this recording. I am wondering if Dr. John sees any mental health illness’s in Kathy? Not saying that I do it’s just a question that popped in my head as I was listening.

Catherine Hargrave

Thank you for sharing the real deal on Patreon. He never retracted his confessions, his antics in his cell in large part seemed to be theatrics, regardless of the Haldol. The timeline works out, especially if you don’t agree that the last movement of Libby’s phone means that was the moment of their murder. We should be grateful at least that it appears he did not reoffend, RA strikes me that having been frustrated in completing his fantasy to his specifications, would be driven to try again. RIP Abby and Libby 🙏🕊️

Catherine

I did not get to listen to this until this morning. Thank you both for standing up and sharing the facts each day of the trial. Now I understand why you were having to sleep outside. Apparently there were forces in Delphi that did not want an open and free press. Without that our country would be doomed. It took tremendous courage and fortitude. Lauren, you exemplify the best in journalism. Dr. John, you are so good in explaining the why behind the reasons such horrible things happen. Once we understand the why, it lessens the fear. Finally, thank you both for returnimg to such dark events that happened in your own lives to help explain the why. In order to explain the present, you have to return to your own deep pain of the past. That takes such a toll. Lauren, have a safe return home. My guess is that a number of Delphi residents watched your back without your knowing it. You were greatly admired by them because you were revealing facts that they knew but could not say because they had to live there when the trial was over. You became their voice.

Haley Gulisano

Is it possible that Brittany was young and doesn’t remember?

Florence Larger

I can't thank you both enough. It seems to me this circus could have been avoided if RA had ethical defense attorneys. They wouldn't let him take responsibility just su they could get the sensationalial coverage. Bless you for standing tall and sticking to the facts. Much love

Tina Hall

Thank you for all you do!!!!!!!!! New memeber but will be a member for life.

Karlien Fourie

Sending you love and support. And thank you for helping us check ourselves. You are doing important work.

Sam Worley

Through this whole trial, I have watched you. And the troubles you had with your wifi, even with your phone. And I kept thinking, "here is the reason all the texts came into libby's phonelike they did. Service is unreliable there. Thank you so much for all you did.

Jen C

At ~48 min Dr. John describes the deeply human fear of the killer in the woods as a common storyline through Western literature & history. Great points and wisdom as always. But then he says we don't like to see that and know there is nothing we can do to stop the RA type predators in the world. Here I 100% disagee, which is rare with Dr. John! If RA had not had a gun the likelihood he would have been bold enough to do this and also that at least one of the girls could have run or screamed just seeing a knife - much higher. Reducing child abuse though robust social supports and legal systems is another. There are so many positive policies as examples around the world to reduce harm and violence. Unfortunately far too many people in the USA tolerate clearly dangerous-to-society laws and disinvestment. This can change. I want to have hope for a safer healthier future, not fatalism. There are numerous legal and social policy and investments we could make as a society. If we think there is nothing to do to stop it, we lose.

Ashley Morillo

I appreciate your coverage so much Lauren. I’m so sorry about the hate you’re getting, it’s clearly from unwell people.

Sarah R

Hopefully those police interrogations will be released to the public, I would love to see facial expressions and hear tones of voices.

Sarah R

🐡🐝

Becky Davis

Lauren, I am sorry that you are receiving negative comments, and that’s putting it nicely. I don’t know why people can’t just agree to disagree. Thank you for the sacrifices you made to cover this very difficult case. I hope you will take some time to relax and recover. 💕

Jen C

You make some really good points. I had not thought about the pharmacy worker relevance. I had exactly the same thoughts about RA's potential as a serial abuser and killer. I asked in a YT Superchat if Dr. John thinks he would be likely to reoffend if he had been acquitted but was indeed the killer (which after all the evidence I believe). Dr. John didn't answer right then, I hope if they cover the case more he will discuss this. Everyone in Delphi should be sleeping better now thaf he is convicted. Crimes like this are rare, may nothing similar happen to town residents. That said, abuse of women and children in the USA of rampant and there are likely a lot of SA victims suffering. Stranger danger like this crime is rare, it's the "regular dudes" inside the house that are the most likely to harm. And this is precisely what most of us still do not want to acknowledge or believe.

Jen C

It will go along with my childless cat lady tshirt :/. Which I will be increasingly afraid to wear around in my parent's Midwest rural hometowns. As Dr. John is lamenting, there are legions of bad actors working overtime to divide us so we are weaker and the billionaires can amass even more power. This is why we need examples of careful, reasoned journailsm and analysis to dig into hidden motivations. Grateful the law and legal system, however flawed, brought justice for Abby and Libby. The community is so traumatized I hope they can heal.

Linda Clawson

A Puffer is a round faced fish. I’m from Myrtle Beach & there are tee shirts in all the tourist shops with that fish.

Trish

Cannot express the Love and gratitude enough for both of you. I’m learning to take what I like and leave the rest for those more suited to the negativity. For me, I prefer the real world view that you two provide. In love and respect. Trish.

Katherine Winham

Loved your commentary on the backlash and why there is so much denial that Richard Allen committed these crimes. We don’t want to believe that someone who looks like us, that we interact with in social settings is capable of such horrendous crimes. Everyday monsters.

anatomyscholar

Yes! You are correct to my knowledge. He never retracted to the jury or in court his confessions. They swept it under the rug. The jury may have asked him in the privacy of the court the few times they had questions, we won't know until the release the case for reading.

anatomyscholar

About the Jacket. In my thoughts no blood was found on it because it's a replacement. He destroyed the original and bought a new one so Kathy wouldn't notice it missing. Also no blood on him probabilities. This is a psychopath. He had planned and thought about it, he is also slightly OCD so he is going to be detailed oriented. He could have easily, like they suspected Jack the Ripper of, position himself on the right side of the body and cut left to right to avoid the spray. Aside from the box knife he did not ever have to touch them and that eliminates DNA transfer. I also have no doubt he had rubber medical gloves in his pocket. He worked in a pharmacy, duh. So it would be evident that he used gloves to fondle. He isn't stupid. Remember he watched dateline. I also have no doubt he listened or watched true crime and took notes on what got people caught. This was methodical. He may have an attachment disorder and I would go so far as to say "Indescriminate" attachment disorder. He attaches himself to whomever he deems "safe" his wife, his mom, and later Dr. Wala. That doesn't give him a handicap to not be a gaslighter, or manipulative. I stand firm he is a psychopath. He would have done this again. Libby and Abby were the first of many and it was sloppy, he did get the DNA down. But he didn't think it through enough about the possibility of a phone, the hidden drive of webers, etc. He placed himself as a "witness" classic psychopathic behavior same as watching the case, which he had multiple times Google searched updates, a serial killer likes to see their work and follow the hunt for then closely. After the first kill, they begin to perfect their method each murder after. It will generally get more savage as the thrill has to be fed. Like drugs or alcohol. It's an addiction and they need more and more. In closing RA has the signs of being a serial murderer, he is where he needs to be. I pray he doesn't win an appeal. Especially if the odenism theory is admitted. I do not know the conspiracy behind it, don't care. This was done by someone who planned this, acted on it, and got caught, thankfully before this became a spree. As for Kathy I don't know enough about her to say why she would defend him, but there are 3 different forms of Stockholm syndrome. They both fed of each other. Like Bonnie and Clyde, Ian Brady and Myra Hindley. NOT to say she would have became involved but she definitely would enabled his behavior.

Jamie Gunning

I'd like a tshirt that says "Proud Puffer B"

Samantha Hawkins

The email Dr J read out is horrible & has tones of misogyny. Men need to stop policing women & this is why RA committed the crime, disrespect to women.

Shannon Farrey

Lauren and Dr. John — You probably already know this but there is a recent recording of KA where she says that she is done with RA and believes his confessions. It will be coming out sometime after the sentencing. Sarah Elton-Ausbrook, admin of the “Delphi Murders!!: Case Discussion & Fact Checks” FB group was there when this happened and has the information. I’d be really curious to see what Dr. John thinks of this exchange in light of everything. Thanks for telling the truth even when it is hard.

Rob

One more comment and I’m done lol. I just want to say, I adore your relationship and dynamic. As bitter as I am, it does warm my heart to watch you two interact. Your love for one another is refreshing, I’m so glad that you two found each other! ❤️

Dave Carroll

I'm disgusted by this level of hate towards you both. I feel the need to go to Julie Barnett's TikTok for light relief.

Triple L

I just don't wanted to say, I think Lauren is beautiful, inside and out. Every video I notice how pretty and she never acts snobby about it.

Rob

People who send those anonymous emails are not only cowards, but horrible people themselves. If you disagree with someone, how about presenting your opinion in a respectful, articulate manner. People can be disgusting.

TN Laura

Gray has done good work but is his own worst enemy. He’s insecure and lashes out frequently. He admitted that he feels that he likes Lauren & Dr. John more than they reciprocate, and he’s upset that Lauren didn’t share one of his Delphi timeline videos.

Cripply

Thank you for standing by what you know and believe, John and Lauren. Your combined expertise and visibility are critical to our society (yes, it’s bigger than just true crime) and I’m proud of you both for not giving in to the optics of YouTuber pressure.

Lois Gadway

I just went to a lecture by Dr Rachel Toles clinical and forensic psychologist called The Psychology of Serial Killers. Sobering but hopeful at the end. I left hearing her say stay compassionate and curious. Not to let every body out! Just know there might be little things we can do to help people like making eye contact being kind looking out for the kid being bullied esp as a former teacher this resonates with me

TN Laura

I’d buy a “Puffer B” hoody, Just Sayin! 😂 In Homage to the inspro: “Whose a Puffer B? Were all Puffer Bs!”

anatomyscholar

She knows, he's already told her. Most likely that day when she asked him why didn't you tell me you were there? That conversation did not end there, it continued at home if not in the car on the way home.

anatomyscholar

How can she STILL justify this? He murdered two little girls she needs a psychologist too. I'm a different creature, my husband was accused I would NOT stand behind such atrocities nor want him free to reoffend. Smh

KatCoco6

I can't wait to hear more. Thank you.

Lois Gadway

I am proud of you two. And why do you have to respond to ANYONE regarding anything re your appearance. Doesnt deserve any response. Just leave and shake it off. And stay safe. Also i totally agree about the fairy tale analogy. I loved fairy tales because good overcame evil. That doesnt always happen in the real world. But as a little girl living in a survival mode I so appreciated the good overcoming evil theme.

Lois Gadway

Thank you Lauren and Dr John.

Kathy V

After that threatening email. - I'm so sorry people would treat you like that. I appreciate the fact that you were unbiased. I have been a nurse for many years and worked in a supermax prison for years Around inmates that were on suicide watch or protective custody. I was just shocked that the defense tried to attribute 60plus confessions on single cell adseg and suicide watch I'm thankful the jury saw through it

Cripply

I want to be a Puffer B instead of a hidden gem 😂😂😂

KatCoco6

Thanks so much for your expertise. Listening to both of you helps process this so much.

Danielle Stamps

Really fascinating discussion. I agree that people don’t want to look at the truth of the situation - it feels easier to believe in corruption and conspiracy, as at least that feels tangible in a sense, something you can fight against, and of course in some situations is a real thing. But the idea of a “regular” guy who kills two innocent girls for no reason we can logically fathom, that is terrifying and difficult to wrap your mind around. How does one fight or protect against that? This was one of the first cases that kept me up at night, and probably will continue to do so. The banality of evil, it is very unsettling to face. Thank you for the enlightening conversation as always.

Lenny Wen

I am so sorry for the horrid emails you received. It makes me so mad. I am so relieved the jurors saw the truth. Thank you Lauren and Dr. John for sticking to the truth despite the awful circumstances.

Gloria S

I'm grateful and was waiting patiently for John's take on the case as it went along and now the verdict.

Chrissy Jackson

I can’t believe people think it would have needed 2 or more people. They are children. They are not going to put up much of a fight against a man. RA worked at CVS, he most probably lifted heavy boxes and was strong. They didn’t stand a chance. There are so many scenarios on how he could overpower both of them but they are too horrific to think about. Also the rubbish about Abby’s boyfriend’s Dad. On the video if either girl knew BG they would have either said his name or not taken a video at all. They felt threatened by a single stranger. If there were 2 people smart Libby would have filmed them both. Finally the iPhone stuff about it being plugged in. Those old iPhones were trash and they were always coming up with errors, turning themselves off and on. So that was a red herring as well. I am just so glad that Odinism trash wasn’t brought in.

Brown Eyed Girl

The issue I don't understand is the person Lauren mentioned saying why didn’t they scream. Total victim shaming. Some people say RA is to small to take on two girls. Well, teenagers commit murder all the time. A teen recently killed 5 family members. None of this denial makes any sense to me.

Chrissy Jackson

Well said. If all these locals are so sure they know who the killer is why has no one come forward with any solid tips in the last 5 years before they arrested RA. I suspect there are just a lot of lonely sad people trying to insert themselves into a situation so that they feel relevant.

Domsmom725

Lol 🙌🏼

Chrissy Jackson

I’ve seen a lot of hate for HTC and its followers in YouTube comments and it is baffling. It says a lot about the state of the human race right now that you can no longer have your own opinion and that these idiots are only brave enough to sit behind a keyboard and spout their threats. These people have so little relevance is the world and no one should waste a second thinking about them. The real threat in Delphi has been addressed and the murderer has been found guilty. The states case was weak, the investigation awful and the defence clutching at straws but the jury made the right decision. Now get out of Delphi Lauren and don’t go back for the sentencing. You’ve done what you needed to do which was to shine sunlight on this ridiculously managed court proceedings.

Kathy Stay

Yes she does! I have to get BOTOX Injections for my Migraines, and I remember way back when I first started, I always had people come up to me and say, “Well how come you don’t always look surprised??” 🤷‍♀️🙄 “How come you have worry lines?” 😡 “If you’re getting Botox for Migraines, then how come you still get Headaches?” Um! IT’S NOT A FREAKING CURE! 🙄🫣 It makes you want to SMACK PEOPLE! (Here! Let me GIVE YOU A FREAKING EVERYDAY MIGRAINE! I DID NOT ASK FOR CHRONIC ILLNESS DISABILITIES! Sheesh!🙄

Abby

It occurred to me today that we never heard any evidence that RA retracted his confessions by any of the means that he made his confessions (to his psychologist, on the phone to Kathy and his mom, or in writing). I’m assuming he had to plead not guilty at some point. Did he say “not guilty” himself or did his attorneys enter his plea for him? Was his plea entered early on at an arraignment before he ever made the confessions, or after? Do we know if he EVER has retracted his confessions? Or is he just remaining silent about it and letting his defense attorneys do what they are telling him to let them do? If he hasn’t even retracted his confessions, that seems pretty telling and…odd. I just would have thought the defense would have brought it as evidence if RA had made retraction statements — something like: “I was confused in psychosis but now I’m better and I want to set the record straight that I didn’t do it”. I know if I had made dozens of false confessions because I wasn’t in touch with reality, I definitely would have been screaming from the rooftops to set the record straight once I was in my right mind again. But we never really heard anything but crickets from him, is that correct?

Kathy Stay

I’m not sure she ever will??? It sounds like she’s in extreme denial! And anger maybe? Because I don’t know anything about their marriage dynamic, but did she work? Was she a homemaker? A SAHM? I don’t know? And maybe she’s angry, because she saw him as the bread winner, and by him confessing, she was losing that security?? I don’t know!🤷‍♀️. This is just the Social Worker, (the profession I never used, but I SHOULD HAVE, because I passed the stupid State Exam all those years ago! (DANG IT!) 🤷‍♀️

Abby

Dr. John had said something on a previous day about how RA may have looked to his psychologist as a trusted person to relate to in that similar dependent relationship style, but he wouldn’t have transferred his dependence on Kathy to his psychologist. Kathy would still be his primary “rock” that he feels dependent on. It’s occurred to me that we saw a lot of evidence that he confessed (even in writing), but we never saw any evidence presented by the defense that RA retracted his confessions. To my knowledge, he didn’t say it to his psychologist, to Kathy or his mom in phone calls, or in writing. It’s almost like he just went along with Kathy and the Defense telling him to fight the charges (I assume he had to give a not guilty plea at some point, but I think even the lawyers do that for their client sometimes so maybe he didn’t have to? Not sure.)

Elizabeth Gregory

Thank you both so much for all you do!! As well as you absolutely do not deserve how these disgusting ppl have talked to you, for reporting the FACTS!!

Mallory

Lauren thank you so much for covering this case. I live in the surrounding area and I was afraid we weren't going to get the facts of this trial. There had been so many rumors from day one. I appreciate you reporting the facts and details. I'm sorry you also have had to deal with so many unhinged people.

Abby

He said he drank 3 beers just before he did it. I’m sure that lowered his inhibitions and anxiety. And I think he MUST have been angry about something, which can make people commit impulsive violent crimes. The reason I think he was angry is that his parents wanted him to go to lunch with them but he said no and instead went to go get drunk and try to SA somebody in what can only be described as a disorganized crime. I think he must have had a lot of repressed anger…always feeling self-loathing and going along with what other people told him to do (dependent personality disorder). Just because he’s dependent doesn’t mean some part of him isn’t repressing a lot of anger at himself and anger for being told what to do all the time.

Kathy Stay

Same here Cynthia! I became a 💎 when Tylee and JJ first went missing. And before I even knew about Hidden TrueCrime. I KNEW CHAD and LORI were behind it! I live in Utah and I know the Idaho area very well. So I was familiar with the area, and I knew the area where Chad and Tammy lived, and I KNEW! I also lived in Idaho for 3 1/2 years many years ago. Colby and his wife just had their baby boy. Colby is BEAMING 😁

Selene Genovese

Dear Lauren and Dr. John, this was once again so profound. People must have realized after J. Dahmer, Ted B. Richard R. and Richard Chase that there ARE Monsters among us. Thank you dear Lauren for your hard work and please come home safe and sound. Dr. John I am really worried about how society has evolved that it is no longer safe to speak your mind in public. How sick is it that people think it's okay to threaten a woman and especially a mother like that? I still have one question, were the two beautiful little girls really his first two victims? Isn't it rather typical that things escalate step by step? Thank you again for your effort and professionalism and for my sake you can ALWAYS speak your truth.

Abby

She seems to be a lot more interested in her own needs than the needs of the victims’ families or even the needs of her husband. I’m sure she thinks she is helping her husband, but I agree with Dr. John in that it seems her refusal to let RA confess seems harmful to him and contrary to what he needed from her. “Mother knows best”

Hazel Hedgewitch

Hey "PufferBee🐝" & Dr Babe! Seriously though, this is my first patreon, and after following your channel since the beginning, I'm a little ashamed of myself. Let me explain (brevity isn't my strong point, but I will try to be succinct🤞🏼.) I'm comfy and safe at home with my dog, we listen, I watch. I have grown to love and respect you both dearly over the last couple years. Lauren you are incandescent. Your honesty and dedication to honorable journalism is crystal clear. Dr. John, your strength and knowledge lend the "bricks" to a foundation unparalleled in the YT universe. Until 5 mins ago I never once considered danger, fear, unsettling creeps creeping, none of that ever occurred to me! I always send you both love and light each time I tune in, good people receive my good vibes, that's just me. Now add to that protection and security, bodily and emotionally. My heart goes out to you both (as well as your Little🩵) It is hard to be away from home, however it's equally hard to be the one keeping the home fires burning. You're both heroes in my book, and I thank you for all you do to keep us informed. 🥰

Vala Hauksdóttir

I just wanted to say you guys are awesome and it’s a privilege to learn and listen to your sober thoughts and rational opinions

Abby

Yes I thought exactly the same thing. If it was an Odenist GROUP can you imagine them not leaving something behind or at least there would have been more evidence of shoe prints and movement of a group of men? Definitely Occam’s razor for me is one person committing the crime.

Kathy Stay

I ♥️ you both! Don’t go back, before Christmas! Stay home with your family! You deserve to!

Abby

Omg, that’s horrifying! I’m so sorry you have such a father and that happened 😞❤️ Thank you for sharing your experience.

Kathy Stay

If you are going to threaten Lauren, DO IT BETTER JERK, idiot! Piece of garbage! Oh my Hell! What is this person’s level of education?? 9th Grade?? Lauren, can’t wait for you to get out of that town! OH! And Red?! If he is a Border Collie, like I think he is?! He has TEETH DUDE! And he could BITE YOU RIGHT OUT OF YOUR SILLY STATE! 🙄🤬

Abby

I remember, in the Josh Duggar scandal where he molested multiple sisters and a family friend, there were a couple of the sisters that weren’t even aware of what had happened until they were told. They said it was because he was doing “inappropriate touching” when they were asleep. He actually confessed to his parents as a teen out of guilt and they made him apologize to the girls, which is probably the only reason they know (that’s based on the girls’ words in interviews as adults).

Abby

Surely most people who follow true crime know that monsters come in all shapes and sizes? But you are right — I think the average person isn’t aware of that reality. Do you think a lot of the trolls in support of RA are actually locals invested in this case but unfamiliar with many crime cases? I guess it’s just been so long since I learned that sex offenders, violent criminals, high-functioning sociopaths and other forms of harmful people look EXACTLY like your favorite uncle, your boss, your favorite coach, favorite Sunday School teacher or your favorite “family friend dad”

Nicole

I appreciate you both so much! 🫶🏼

Nicole

The threats are so crazy! I was preparing myself for a non-guilty verdict and I always thought whatever the jury decided I would respect their decision. I don’t understand why people are so hateful around this cases thinking of you and stay safe Lauren and Dr. John 🫶🏼🤍

Erin Aboudara

She sounds like a real control freak. I can’t imagine wanting to continue to be married to someone like RA and that’s even before the murders. She must relish her “mommy” role. 🫢

Abby

I thought Dr. John was hilarious pointing out the typos 😂🤣 His humor was so much like me in those moments it’s uncanny. I related so hard 😂🤣😂

Abby

Also, so sorry Lauren has been receiving such mean and threatening emails. No one should have to receive hate like that!!! Lauren, I don’t have lip injections either but I love that you were so kind to point out that it’s ok! And not ok to say anything bad about anyone who makes those choices! I appreciate hearing that small act of kindness for other people when there’s so much of the opposite going around ❤️😞

Abby

Wow, it’s so icky to think of the defense trying to influence a jury through true crime content creators 😧 That should not be allowed to happen, holy cow! Think of all the juries that aren’t sequestered 😳

Nicole

Yes Lauren! I have gotten into a few arguments about RA being able to do the crime alone. I too felt like it was victim blaming. It was a hard argument.

Patience Moll

This was great! Love that Dr. John went into the archetype aspect of the case, very interesting. The hate email was shocking to me, again. Glad you reported it and I hope today's events mean you will no longer be receiving these horrific messages. Looking forward to learning more about or from those associated with the case. Your interview sounds great, Lauren, I hope it works out. Safe travels home and thanks again for keeping us all informed. Your reporting combined with Dr. John's insights have been invaluable.

Nicole

💯

Cynthia Beshears

I think Puffer B is referring to your lips having injections. Email sounded like it was sent from a female to me.

Gleebart

My first Patrein! Thank you !!🇨🇦🇨🇦🇨🇦

RENE S

Can we make coffee cups that say something like I’ve been told I’m a puffer b and on the other side… what’s a puffer b?

Belinda Carroll

I'm sorry but dr john reading that email and lauren laughing about it, made me giggle! Ty lauren for ur coverage and hugs to u and dr john

Kaz

Just joined Patreon. Got so sick of the trolls and haters. Here from Australia. Loved your coverage and honesty

RENE S

Oh my goodness I am so glad you contacted authorities regarding the harassing and violent email(s). It sounds like they have become unhinged. Please stay safe. The bullying and hate needs to stop!

Angela Pedersen

I’m horrified by the hate mail! I appreciate you both and your coverage on this case. Travel home safe Lauren🫶

Cynthia Beshears

First Patreon I’ve ever joined! But a long time Gem and follower🖤🖤

Penny J.

I really don't like the idea of you being threatened. I have been worried about your safety since you have been there. O my word, "Go duck yourself?" The nerve of the coward that wrote that disgusting email. I will keep you in my prayers. You are a naturally beautiful woman!! It is a puffer coat. Sorry for jumping everywhere in this post. I'm a disabled wife, mom, and grandma, and I worry about the women and children in this country. Praying 🙏 for safety on your way home. You and Dr. John have a great podcast, and I'm proud to be a hidden gem. Love and hugs to you both.

Tami

Lauren thank you SO much for your dedication to reporting the facts & being such a consistent advocate for the actual victims in this case. I appreciate all the time & energy you put into not only this trial but Chad Daybell’s as well. You’re the original hidden gem! 🫶🏼

Smilos

Dr John…🎯 Everything about RA’s confessions were so disturbing to me. I kept thinking ‘why won’t they let him confess? Why don’t they believe him?’ After listening to you Dr John, it occurred to me…it’s not that they don’t believe him, they WON’T believe him because what could be scarier than a short plain guy in a small town who ends up being the monster in the woods that killed children? Horrifying

Stephanie J.

Maybe his daughter wasn’t aware of it. We don’t know any details, but I believe he said he molested her. Could have been asleep.

Dianna Burnthorn

Love y'all thanks so much for all y'all do!!!!

Marnie Norris

When do you think Kathy A will be able to come to terms with this? And when is the daughter going to feel comfortable telling her mom the possibility of sex abuse?

Leigh Terry

The hate mail to y'all and Lauren being threatened makes me tearful and so angry at the same time. Thank y'all for standing up for truth and real understanding!

Ashlee

Such a great point!

Misti Simpson

you can learn a lot about the justness of a cause by listening to the people who support it. YOU two are good people.

Mary Hatchet

Lauren, if it helps, the thought of plastic surgery has never crossed my mind in regards to you. You just have naturally awesome bone structure! What’s a girl to do??

Valorie Dodart

I think I need a puffer B mug

Kirsten C

I’m old school, but he could be a man with what a has-been like me used to call Borderline Personality Disorder.

Lynn Saastad

John, I think you are right that "we" don't want to believe RA's confessions is that it disrupts our perception of the world. Monsters aren't identified by the way they look or act. They can be our neighbor, or the nice guy at CVS. And that destroys our security in the world we live in.

Lynn Saastad

New member today as well.

Kirsten C

When people tell you who they are, believe them. Making the trial public would have been a hideous display, and much harder on the family imo. It’s extremely hard to convict someone. So don’t feel sorry for RA. He’s where he needs to be.

Lynn Saastad

Same!

Donna Holmes

I am a new member today. I watched your YouTube coverage of the RA case. I found your coverage the best of the few I watched. I love Dr. John's input because it helped me understand what I was feeling. So, thank you for your dedication and coverage. I look forward to seeing more of your work together.

Brooke Miller

Miss Lauren if I had known you were being threatened I would have came and stayed with you. First of all who needs to be educated listen to that message 🙄🤣 go duck yourself dumb ass 🤣 love you and Dr. John!!!

Misti Simpson

that's EXACTLY the langauge my father used when he called to tell me he molested my daughter when she was a newborn. "I think I may have...I remember the carpet in the room...[insert graphic description of exactly what he did]...I guess I can't say it WASN'T _____"

hannah aki

I just feel like if it were MORE THAN ONE wouldn’t that leave a lot more room for error? Higher chances of leaving evidence behind. One person can have more control over the situation than depending on two people covering both of their tracks.

Lynn Saastad

Hmmm... Interesting thought.

Moo2

DR JOHN and Lauren can you tell us more about the defense asking Podcasters for help?? I didn't think that was ethical,client attorney privileges, can you unpack that a little more please?

Lynn Saastad

The hate in that email reflects the jealousy and miserable life of the writer. It's not based in reality. Until today, I thought he was not guilty, but I truly listened to not only the FACTS you reported, Dr. John's analyses, and other trustworthy sources reporting facts. I then pondered all of this and did my own research, analysis of the facts and post-conviction reactions and I did change my mind from not guilty to guilty. NOT because you guys "convinced" me, but because you presented the facts and valid explanation from a psych perspective and gave me a chance to pull myself away from the crowd and think for myself.

Kimkpt

🤣 laughing at your puffer b jacket or whatever 🤪

Dana T

They are too smart for that and also loved how Lauren didn’t sit with defense. She wouldn’t be bought at this trial. Or given petty favors for their favor on her platform

Jennifer Brandt

I feel that the threatening posts should NOT be blocked - only so that they can be reported and hopefully those people can be identified and dealt with legally. It’s horrifying that this happened - what is wrong with people??

Dana T

What is dependent personality disorder? Is this new? Is it a cluster a, b,c? What name was this type of disorder given 15 years ago?

Lynn Saastad

Agreed!

Lynn Saastad

Amen

Mary Hatchet

Something that really caught my attention was the fact that when Richard Allen would ask Kathy Allen, if she would still love him if he was guilty, she didn’t really ever say. Whereas his mother immediately said, of course, I will always love you. As a mother, I feel that is exactly what she is supposed to feel, meaning Richard‘s mother. I don’t know what’s going on with Kathy and Richard, but I was like, that’s way too big of an ask for your wife, or really any person on this earth other than your parents.

Lynn Saastad

I second that motion.

Emily Flotilla

yes, so many have lost their sense of diplomacy too

Bonnie Schoeneman-Dilley

It is outrageous and scary that you received hateful threatening emails or comments. You and Dr. John are the most unbiased, balanced and compassionate presenters that I listen to. I am so sorry that you have had to experience this nasty behavior from anyone. It seems that You Tube has strict policies for creator's and enforces consequences. Do they not have policies to block threatening commenter's? Is there anything I or other Gems can do to help ? Sending support and love, with deep appreciation for both of you! Bonnie

Emily Flotilla

Thanks to both of you for your dedication on this polarizing case. I strongly believe the defense threw out such wild conspiracies that the public got even more suspicious when the court wasn't streaming the trial either. I am so concerned for you Lauren, and I am glad that you had people around you. Please be careful. I watched your face after the live, and just wanted to give you a hug. Trust you will get one at CrimeCon if you aren't covering a major case at the time. Traveling mercies requested for you.

Vicky Korner

Dr. John, your analogies of fairytales and real life are fascinating!!

Cindy Ginter

This case is about deep seated nightmares, for our kids and ourselves. The horrifying aspect is this nightmare became true in a small, quiet town that has been rocked to its core. Thank you Dr. John for your analysis and Lauren for your mental toughness in the face ofthe fury that some fearful people projected on to you (someone truly kind hearted). I have felt like this bullying behavior has been tacitly condoned by many in the US. People have lost their civility.

Swannie

I probably shouldn’t assume Red is male. Ooops. I’ve been a fur Mom to female English Mastiffs and am used to assumptions they were males despite pink or orange collars plus names that were kinda female

OpinioNated

People are so absurd. I don’t understand why they think your opinion has so much power, like you’re on the jury.

Savannah Bell

I have a feeling judge Gull is going to be happy to give him the maximum sentence she’s allowed. In my opinion she has ruled in ways that lead me to believe she is 100% against Richard Allen. She acted that way before the trial ever started, unfortunately 😕… I think that has a lot to do with all her secrecy and refusal to open the trial to the public.

Swannie

Also I am so grateful that we saw Red and his fur Dad. 😊 I want to be respectful about naming people and heard other podcasters mention Red.

Truffles

I cant stand Kathy Allen.

Swannie

I can’t express how much I appreciate Dr. John weaving in literature and archetypes. I was hooked as soon as I heard him bring in Macbeth as an intro to Gypsy Rose episodes. Lauren is equally as amazing. I admire her so much. What a great duo. Thank you.

Sherri Gamblin

It was really ballsy for him to go to the bridge and threaten to use a gun. It is a small town and a small park. If his bluff had been called he would be screwed. The compulsion must have been so strong.

Kirsten C

Snow White 1930’s Disney. The strength of you both is so admirable.

Dana T

Really? Your dad murders two young girls. Do you do anywhere near this trial? She gets one pass. She’s a grown ass adult. She knows what the truth is!

Sherri Gamblin

Q: With RA being diagnosed with dependent personality disorder and being "separated" from his wife and mother, could he have transferred his dependency to his doctors and guards? Would he have wanted to please them and confessed? Gaining their acceptance by being truthful? Him couching some confessions with "I think" is him distancing himself from his crime and testing the waters. He can confess and then sort of back it off but still assuage a guilty conscience.

Kirsten C

Seems like a woman, or a b*cy man. Definitely a scary person.

Jen B

Personally I have been dying to ask Lauren where her leopard print jacket is from. I’ve been admiring it for weeks now. Stay safe and thanks for all your work Lauren & John!

NinaLiza

Oh no Lauren I just listened 😥 omg be careful. That scares me so much that someone would write so hateful to you. Be so careful bc with this verdict, some people will get even more angry. Much love and respect to you and Dr John ❤️🥹❤️

clarification

I think a lot of people imagine that two girls would be able to fight RA off and perhaps they could have done so. Few people know how they would react in such a situation, but I imagine the threat of harm to a friend further complicates everything. Naked in the woods increases that vulnerability to unimaginable levels. Abby and Libby bring brave enough to take the video and hide the phone makes me so proud of them and more heartbroken.

Sagesister

I'd encourage you to go to the bar the Allen's frequented and see if anybody will talk. I do hope you can interview some people willing to talk about his personality, if there was a reason he left WalMart, etc. More background, things not necessarily brought up in trial but things known in the community. I feel people would be willing to talk. Sorry for all the hate you are getting. You have been so fair and non-judgmental in your reporting.

Bradie Barton

I am so sorry that you and John have to deal with such horrendous emails. You deserve to feel safe doing your job. I hope you are both ok.

Irene Charles

Plus he was an adult, they were kids. Of course they followed his directions. Only took one deranged and evil man to take away their futures and break the hearts of all who loved them. So so sad.

Allison Hazelwood

I’ve been following this case since 2017 and I’m so glad I found your channel thru this. I’m so so glad these girls got justice today. So grateful for your coverage and care for the victims during this. I loved hearing Dr. John’s thoughts as well based on his experience.

Kristin Taylor

There is an unsolved murder in Mexico Indiana of a little girl in 2005, I believe. He still lived in Mexico then… I can’t help but think this was not his first murder.

Michelle

I’m so very sorry you’ve had to deal with people’s hate & threats! Too much common sense talk for them I guess! You shouldn’t have to feel unsafe doing your job. Heavy case on every level. ✨🙏🏼✨

Kirsten C

The first drawing looked far more accurate. Being an eye-witness is a tough job, very difficult to remember details from a flash of time. I still think he had facial hair on the bridge guy video. The style of his clothes and gate just weren’t that of a younger person.

D. Haskins

DR JOHN AND LAUREN, ty for being a beautiful couple who care about each other and have fun working together. You both are a joy to listen to and watch! I truly appreciated your coverage of Daybell and am beyond words on how grateful for your coverage and commitment to Delphi and Libby and Abby! Especially at a Native hoosier, I wanted justice for girls and town and state. Stay safe!

Penny Brown

Me 3! From Hickory NC

D. Haskins

I agree, how selfish and cruel to continue this case on by defense and KA. It's time to.let it rest in.peace.

Savannah Bell

Thanks for all you guys do. I love and respect your thoughts and opinions regarding these critical issues!

Laura M

It's been a higher percentage of men following this case, but not sure the breakdown G/NG

Katie Alosi

I agree! I'll feel much better once she's home!

Laura M

Excellent questions. Well wishes to your daughter. The one about KA particularly interests me. I don't believe devastation alone can explain it, unless she's poorly equipped.

Katie Alosi

I am so relived we have a verdict and I'm so glad you are almost out of there!!

Kirsten C

Such good news. We can only hope the sentencing doesn’t disappoint.

Sarah R

I’ve been a channel member for a year and new to Patreon. Thank you for all your hard work💎

Rose Pritchett

I can’t quit crying for these girls and their families so thankful but still so melancholy of where they would be today

D

That’s incredibly unfair. She has done nothing wrong. Shes not the one to be angry at here. I cannot imagine being in her shoes right now. Trying to come to terms with everything has to be crushing.

Kimberley Barron

Dr. John, thank you so much for your analysis of the pushback to accept R.A.’s confessions. I’m a new Patreon and YouTube member. I’ve followed your content for over a year because of the Daybell case. I’ve felt that the Delphi case was forgotten by our nation, and am sooooo glad that it wasn’t forgotten by you both. Lauren, your determination and gumption to report on this case in spite of threats is astounding. Thank you for your dedication to truth and justice on every case you cover! Much love and respect to you both.

Laura M

It's a symbiotic parasitic relationship. I don't know how they would be caught or punished.

Carolyn Wright

You can tell one to tie the other up. And if you scream I will kill you! They didn’t know what else to do but follow instructions! They had no idea that he would kill them if they obeyed. People felt sorry for Allen, because of how he acted in his cell. So sorry Lauren about the hateful email! That person was so ignorant! The jury got the last word 😊 and they got it right!!

Laura M

Kegan Kline wrote messages to Ron Logan?

Clarissa B

Wow, Lauren, I am so sorry you and John have dealt with these nasty emails. I am so proud of your bravery. Stay safe!!

Dana T

She is absolutely an innocent victim and she had my 💯 support until she took the stand and I don’t buy a word that came out of her mouth

D

I think that email is from a female. Probably one that is close to the case, or wants to be close to the case. The focus on her lips and coat are things a woman uses to insult other women.

Dana T

I agree but also think if it’s escalated to murder she knows. If he confessed in prison she knows. He’s a sick bastard

CBell

I can’t believe you’ve received threats. I’m so sorry to hear about the cruelty being shovelled your way. I’ve greatly appreciated the respect and sensitivity you’ve shown while covering this case. Lauren I’m disgusted that you get so many comments about your appearance, I hope you know that there are people who couldn’t care less what you look like, we’re just grateful for all the work you put in and the sacrifices you make to bring us this information.

CarrieMom

This case has been soul crushing! Thank you for bearing witness Lauren. Thank you Dr John for the insight that reminds me we are not loosing our minds. 💕

Kim

The hate you’ve received is heinous! :( I didn’t know much about this case until you guys started reporting on it. I came in neutral & I followed Lauren’s reporting. Your (now not) theory that RA is guilty fits completely with the evidence you’ve so skillfully gathered and researched. Always grateful for both your insight!

Cakesboo

i'm a grammar nerd too Dr John! I can't believe how disgusting some people are. Lauren you were not biased, you were simply stating what was said and done at trial. And Dr John, you have given me some insight how RA's behaviours may have lead to such a tragedy. Thank you both so much for your dedication. Lauren you deserve a big holiday and I cannot thank you enough for providing some much needed transparency during this trial.

Karen Rose

Jen C, There really doesn't seem to be any other plausible theories of this case. The fact that there are people in Delphi who felt unsafe about speaking until after a guilty verdict says a lot about what ∙some∙ people observed about Allen.

Jen C

Is this legal malpractice? Perhaps bar complaints should be filed. Every defendent deserves representation. But not a troll ay to whip up pressure on judges and public. If true this really crosses a line for me.

Sierra Anderson

It is SO sad!

Sierra Anderson

I’m so sorry you had to deal with such crazies. His fan club is concerning to say the least. I’m thankful for a JUST VERDICT & I am so thankful for you & Dr John ❤️

Karen Rose

...and then just evaporate! Yes. There's nothing logical about that stance.

Jen C

Certainly whoever "cleared" RA at the beginning after he came in to give his statement about being there during the exact timeframe of the crimes made a gross error. Imagine if instead the team had followed up immediately vs letting so much time pass and time to destroy evidence. That said, as Dr. John often says, then what is your alternative plausible theory of the case? After listening to so much of this, I see none. Missing pieces and some questions, sure. Reasonable doubt after all the trial evidence? For me, none.

Christy R

You have to constantly have your head on a swivel nowadays. Lauren please stay safe in your travels. RA's wife not knowing his possible secret life reminds me of BTK's wife. She didn't know anything until he was caught. I hope KA will someday grasp her situation.

JenAus

That email was a downright disgrace. Please be safe! 💕

D

The nah sayers of his guilt are hung up on the Odinist theory. It’s actually comfort to them because if it’s some cult, not the local CVS guy, then it’s not “one of them”. They refuse to look at logic. If it was true, then why haven’t they done other rituals? Why hasn’t there been a history of this cult doing things in the area? None of it makes sense. A cult of creeps isn’t going to randomly murder two little girls out on a hike in the middle of the day.

Dana T

I totally agree. His imitations have grown on me. I used to hate them. He’s calmed down a lot.

Dana T

Was that not the freakiest movie ever?!

Dana T

This!!!!! 100%

D

I firmly believe that he is guilty but I appreciate your words. I have been bothered by the judges actions in a lot of this case. I also have an issue with how he was treated and conditions he was held in. One reason I watched different channels on this case is to hear more takes on it. I am typically a sucker for a defense attorney (I believe they have a fascinating role in court) but I’ve felt RA’s attorneys were shady from day one. Their theory of Odinist and all the things about the scene screamed nonsense to me. Of course that doesn’t mean he was guilty by that alone but it made me side eye all of them from start.

Dana T

I don’t find the puffer b comment remotely funny. Nor does it deserve a t shirt. F that disgusting pig that sent the email. It was cruel because Lauren spoke the truth. Of all the people in Delphi Lauren gets mocked for her looks? Is this crazy town?! Lauren is beautiful

Kat

Thanks Lauren and Dr. John for all your hard work on this case! Since your last Patreon podcast I’ve been thinking about the questions Dr. John raised. One thing I’ve thought about is how common it is for the true crime community to be swept up in a story that reads like a mystery novel. A story with twists and turns where you can figure out the “bad guy” if you have enough clues and evidence. I think the Odinist defense offers that kind of plot line. Whereas, the prosecution’s theory isn’t nearly as interesting as a novel at least to me. Their argument is more rational, but it’s a story we have heard and been warned against as children through fairytale. However the defenses’s argument about the Odinists plotting and preforming secret rituals only they understand feels more like a novel with a true mastermind behind it. I think the prosecution’s story matched the evidence better, but I think the defense’s 3rd party defense was the more interesting story to latch to. I also think it’s easy to get sucked into the religious-like devotion/evangelism some creators have to RA’s innocence. He has seemed to become a Jesus figure of sorts for some. I’ve heard creators talk about how he was just trying to do the right thing by telling LE about being there and this is what LE did to him. I do wonder if not having as many common cultural myths is creating a void that conspiracies like this fills. Stay safe Lauren! I hope you’re able to make it home soon!

Jen C

I totally understand. I used to live off a road where we had to hike to our cabin. Until I got far enough off the road where people not likely to get that far, I was hyper-alert. Never afraid of bears, mtn lions, etc just the humans. Yet largely irrational. Let's all take a deep breath, mourn for the two victims and families and celebrate justice for them. And then check the stats and facts and speak up that the most dangerous place for girls (and boys) and women bar none in the USA is at home. That is true and sobering. We must do better.

Kelley Jackson

My thoughts: she doesn’t want to be the wife of a monster. She has to live among the citizens of Delphi and among her family this holiday season.

Nicole Didyk

Thank goodness the jury was sequestered and was smart! I think other creators are coming from a defense lawyer worldview. They appear to value fairness over justice, and those are not always the same thing. It's important to consider what a creator gets out of having a controversial strong opinion. Clicks.

Dana T

How old is she? 30? She’s been brainwashed. She gets one pass. Now is her time to wake the f up!

Hope4All

Can you please let us know when you are home safe? I'm worried about you after hearing you and Dr. John talk about it. Thank you both so very much!

Kelley Jackson

Hi Lauren and John!

Becky L Kirby

Thank you.

Susan Bray

Thank you for covering this case for all of us who were unable to be there. I know it was a sacrifice personally & for your family.

Theresa Azar

Thank you for trusting us with your knowledge. Stay safe 🧡

Jen C

Except ...then there is still a monster in the woods if the jury got it wrong (which I am now convinced they didn't). That is far more scary to me. As Dr. Babe often says, then what is their plausible theory of the crimes? Have not heard any.

D. Haskins

Fyi, I remembered this today. During 2022, Allen County InD Jail was in lawsuit for inhumane conditions...maybe other jails were facing this during this time. Another reason RA was sent to Westville.

*Dot Com

Lauren I want to give you a big thank you for reporting on actual content from the daily court sessions unlike a few other creators that reported but also appeared to be trying the case....for the defense I might add. I loved that you were impartial up to the end. My heart goes out to you for a job well done. Thanks!!!!

CBell

I have a couple thoughts: one, children don’t always know when an adult is touching them inappropriately, two, I know if my best friend was told to be quiet or I’d be hurt, she would do whatever she was told and vice versa and third, RA saying “ I think” seemed to me like he was trying to distance himself from his own actions rather than having uncertainty around them but that’s just my opinion

Susan Bray

I believe in telling the truth in court, but if I were Brittany Zapanta & had to tell the world in open court my daddy molested me, I do not think I could do it. It is re-victimization & is unfair to this young woman.

Susan Bray

Was Brittany Zapanta the daughter of Richard Allen in court when the verdict was read today? My heart goes out to her as she is also an innocent victim in all of this.

Jen C

I did too re becoming a Gem. May reason and facts and best of humanity in the face of the worst prevail. Justice here was served.

Jen C

Me too x 2.

Sandra Woods

Thank you both for your commitment to truth, reporting and analyzing this and other cases. Justice has been done. Please be extra careful, Lauren. Thank you for sharing with your Patreon members. It is always so amazing to hear you two process together.

D. Haskins

It makes me soooo mad because we live near a beautiful wooded trail and because of people like RA makes me afraid for my daughters out there.

D. Haskins

Me too! This is scary and ridiculous !

Cathy Hankins

Haha..you guys crack me up with the puffer b comment

Ashley Donoghue

His wife and family is starting to tick me off. This isn’t about them! I get that they’re affected but this is about 2 little girls!!! Abby & Libby and I’m getting real tired of people forgetting this fact! Respect the jurors and their verdict! They saw all the evidence and they were there…every single day! Not this idiot YouTube followers who are turning into a damn cult who are manipulating facts to fit their narratives. I have kept quiet this entire time & listening to all the facts reported on with an open mind. I myself was confused and had a lot of doubt at first (as we should be since he was presumed innocent at that point). BUT…hearing apart of that email that Dr John had to read someone write about HIS WIFE is absolutely disgusting, uncalled for, low, classless and beyond unhinged. I literally want to call that girl out for everything she wrote about poor Lauren. For what? Absolutely despicable human being for the garbage she wrote in that email. DO BETTER PEOPLE! Be better! This is NOT how we treat one another-for ANY reason.

Livvie

I joined! Yay! I’m so relieved that the jury came back with a guilty verdict. This case has made me realize that people will believe anything they’re told no matter how crazy it is and it’s absolutely scary.

MMB

Reasonable minds can differ. As an attorney, I can tell you there are a lot of issues with how the judge handled this case and the conditions imposed on a pretrial detainee. If it so slam dunk, why not allow the defense to discuss Kegan Kline's messages to the girls and Ron Logan. I don't know if he is guilty like I said. But a lot of intelligent people have concerns. So maybe open your mind a little to understand different perspectives. I have no issue with John and Lauren. Appreciate their work.

Terrie

This reminds me of Sarah Boone in how she treated George as a child to boss.

AnneMarie Wallette

Oh, Lauren. I look at you with envy because you are always so beautiful and classy! I know you were laughing off the comments from the email, but I hope you shut your heart and ears to the words. You sacrificed a lot so the public could hear the words of the court. You did a phenomenal job of being a reporter and stating the facts. When it was your opinion, you clearly stated it. That is what journalism used to be. Not half full, or half empty, but 4oz of water in an 8oz glass. That’s what you did for weeks. Thank you for your tremendous efforts and thanks to Dr John for being the anchor while you’re away.

Moo2

HEY if beyonce can be Queen Bee, Lauren can be Puffer Bee 🐝

Alicia D

That made me laugh too😆

Terrie

Welcome Jessica to our community 💎

D. Haskins

It's terrible

Moo2

Gray has been around a long time, I started out not a fan because everyone said he was a hack, then I started listening to him, and you know what, its his stick, and he is REALLY good at what he does. You can't argue with any content he puts out, he's like wine, it takes a while but you fine yourself in love with the guy

Terrie

I would go with Puffer Babett after Dr. John’s reference from Lauren as Dr. Babe. Dr. Babe & Puffer Babett.

Jessica Carranza

I’m sorry you’ve been threatened since you’ve been in Indiana, Lauren. Unfortunately disagreeing with anyone here( I’m a native) can be dangerous these days. Stay safe and thank you for covering this case.

@Teejay

I’m shocked at the nastiness of these key board warriors not very bright these types are they smh

Alison

How scary that you were threatened! 😠 For telling the facts. I am so proud of you, Lauren. I became a Hidden Gem because of your coverage of this case. Thank you.

Elizabeth Lacey

I had to pay twice to hear this podcast! Wtf

Moo2

HA! I actually think those channels are trying to get HTC s audience, you know having them leave Lauren and John and go to their channels. I saw stuff like that a few years ago, ppl fighting for more clicks, those channels are gone now, to much drama not enough content.

JG

So happy to be on patreon now to hear more! Love both of you!

Wendybird

Absolutely right on analysis Dr. John

Alicia Be Merry

Brats attack because that's all they've got. They can't come up with a logical, educated argument. It's sad, really. So sorry people stoop to that level.

natpack

Lauren is beautiful! What an idiot! And also there is plenty of female rage right now we can just create a whole security team for Lauren!

D. Haskins

Great poiuint. Thanks 😊

Samantha Molloy

New Patreon member, glad to support you! Please do bring sunshine on the topic as it’s the best disinfectant to what defence teams are doing to influence the public via Lawyers whom are influencers. My daughter is in the midst of doing her law exams today and I find it abhorrent an entire trial can be manipulated in public, in long form, simply to agitate the public and the facts be skewed. I’d loathe to see her take that route. It seems unethical to me if a Lawyer isn’t retained nor part of the case to do so. Isn’t it like Court Becky? A person sworn to uphold justice and the law yet are tipping or sliding off the scales of justice? I’m in Australia yet believe that wouldn’t fly here, I’ll ask my daughter this evening. I’d be fascinated to know Dr Babe’s thoughts on Kathy breaking down and overtaking the moment from the Girls’ families’ moment of justice. Is it lack of perception, lack of empathy? Selfishness? Devastation? Lack of decorum? Alas, a ramble ☺️😅 Thank you ever so much. 🤗

Dana T

Lauren if you don’t feel safe there come to Illinois side. I will come get you, I am totally sane and have a son the similar age. Don’t stay anywhere you don’t feel safe

JenAus

I haven’t watched yet but will. Lauren, stellar job as always. Take a well overdue break with your family. Have a safe trip home. All the best. Thanks also to the Mods who make this possible each and every day! 💕

D. Haskins

I watched those also. She does much nervous laughter on stuff not really funny at all.

Erin Aboudara

Yes.

BlondeGranny

I think Lauren is beautiful. I’m so sorry that you had to experience such hate !

Tonella

Prayers for your safety. Thanks for all your reporting and insight!

Wendy G

I'm shocked that defense would recruit help from creators. Somehow it be seems it shouldn't be allowed. But I'm not in be the USA.

JenAus

I did too. I’m in a different timezone so missed a lot of lives but the chat was overwhelming on many occasions.

Debi

I had to turn off chat because of some of the YT comments this past couple of weeks. 😬 Thank you mods, Lauren and Dr John

Terrie

excellent point. Karen Rose.

Dana T

I have not been able to stand him until this case. He used to be so nasty. Because he was one of two creators actually speaking truth I listened to him. But he’s a man child 100%

Cristina Lee

Yes! I second guessed myself too once Dr. John made his comment. I don’t know if a man would go on and on about lip fillers 😂

Dana T

I totally thought that too but second guessed my comment because Dr John is way more knowledgeable. But this was written by an enabling psycho. Kathy is giving herself away

Sharon Ashcraft

Sorry people commented awful things they are idiots and jealous

Kay Yorn

The things people have said to & about Becky Patty for almost 8 years has been horrible so you know how frightening it can be.

Cotton~Carolyn

Oh my gosh!!!! That email is disgusting. I am sorry you had to read that. To go at your physical appearance is awful. Please be careful. I feel sick from that email.

Dana T

I respect your way of kindly saying this but have absolutely no understanding for how your brain processes information. The truth is there if you care to see it

LoriM

I have been a Patreon member for quite awhile and am always so thankful when you guys do these! Thank you Lauren for all of your dedication to covering this trial and to Dr. John for sharing his wisdom and keeping down the home front. I am just in shock that there is so much divisiveness with this trial and the court of public opinion. I do not understand it. I respect you both so much and thank you for your coverage!

Dana T

I think so too! It’s crazy but is it? Part of me feels her all over these groups. Psycho

Kay Louise

Bette Davis!

Rebecca Hayes

I watched and heard those too. He sounds like BG.

Emily Flotilla

It's well worth the $!

CB1

Lauren and Dr. John, could you please consider doing a deep dive into why defense creators appear unable to see opposing sides? Is it ALL simply confirmation bias? What Greek tragedy, piece of literature, or research could give us a deeper understanding of human’s tendency to be blind to our own blindness?

Cathy Hankins

Was it about the van?

Kay Louise

Even today I saw it!

Kay Louise

I didn’t catch on at first because I was paying attention to the evidence but then one day another YouTuber popped up and it had what looked like good info. Whoa the hate was coming out and then it was in HTC chat. Then I started lurking. 👀

Erin Aboudara

Puffer-B, lol!

Erin Aboudara

These idiots can’t even spell.

@Teejay

reading the book recently released by his cousin called Dark Tide she was very close to him and explains how hard it was for any of them to believe he was guilty ,her father is the one that TB’s mother went to live with after she had him out of wedlock and they were more like siblings as they grew up together it’s very good read it’s taken her this long to find the courage to even write about him .

natpack

The fact that people dont believe one person could do this doesn’t understand those girls bond and love for each other!

Dana T

Dr. John… please look up watcher in the woods. It’s the scariest movie ever. I have vague memories of it. But RA is that fking nightmare.

Heidi Chapman

I’m so sorry that you have received such awful nasty threats, unbelievable how brave people can be in their own lounge rooms

Erin Aboudara

I think they should report them. Trolls can become violent.

Nina

I think the lawyers are less focused on his innocence and more convinced that there is unquestionably reasonable doubt and they should have won on that ground. If the lawyers are actually convinced that he's factually innocent that would be interesting to me as an attorney and it would be interesting to hear about the psychology of that (if it's more than confirmation bias). I know some early filings regarding odinism made it look like they believed in the unbelievable, but 1) their understanding of the case changes with time/discovery, and 2) lawyers use whatever they can -- within the rules -- to create reasonable doubt. Anything less wouldn't be the zealous advocacy they are required to apply to the case. What is Dr. John's opinion on defense attorneys buying their own arguments versus knowing they are just making an argument?

DianeL

Thank you Lauren and Dr John for all your hard work in this and all cases. Please be careful Lauren. ❤️

Susan Bray

Kathy Allen makes me sick! Today is finally the day! Justice was done for Abby & Libby! 🩵💜🩵💜

Erin Aboudara

Oh well. I guess if that’s the worst of his opinion then she’s a normal human being!

Denise Miller

🐝🐝🐝

Denise Miller

Agree 💯

Dana T

I hope they ignore the competition and drama and keep doing their thing. Threats need to be shut down. That other side is pure evil. Its crazy but it’s spiritual warfare

Erin Aboudara

That’s just it! They had decided he was not guilty and it’s confirmation bias as Dr. John said.

Tad Auty

I believe some of them were being paid by the defense and raising money for the defense- hardly a way to instil a sense of objectivity

Megan Robinette

Omg, the hateful rhetoric with this case is ridiculous. Your coverage has been neutral, just stating the facts and I appreciate all the time and effort you’ve voluntarily put in, especially considering what you’ve had to put up with. I couldn’t watch most other coverage because of the sensationalism. I’m so sorry you have to deal with that.

Joss Larkins

We need a sticker now on YT that’s a big puffer bee 🐝😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

Kathy wilson

puffer b is a great gangsta name!! It’s endearing:) Thank you for all you’ve done to help us stay informed on this case!!

Kay Louise

He said why in his confession, he was going to rape them. IMO he probably couldn’t!

D. Haskins

Only watch HTC, NOT Allen's Netflix or book deal, pls pls pls!

Erin Aboudara

It’s just disgusting.

D. Haskins

Ty so much lauren and dr j! Bittersweet and sad day. Very intense day. I am very proud of my hometown jury! I hope they can have some peace! Just like Abby and Libby families.

Erin Aboudara

I feel like she’s already like Asa. The family dynamics of these families is genuinely creepy. I remember at first it took Gary Ridgway’s former wife Judith awhile to accept his guilt in the Green River murders. But she eventually did wake and she did divorce him.

Christine

I haven’t heard this mentioned before but did anyone else see his white beard moving in the wind in the Bridge Guy video?

JG

Bundy raped and killed multiple women!

Dana T

Lauren you are beautiful!!! Flaunt it while u got it. You guys are adorable. Please check the IP address for the insane person that threatened you!

Karen Rose

"𝐏𝐥𝐞𝐚𝐬𝐞 𝐝𝐨𝐧'𝐭 𝐭𝐚𝐤𝐞 𝐚𝐰𝐚𝐲 𝐦𝐲 𝐢𝐥𝐥𝐮𝐬𝐢𝐨𝐧𝐬!" 𝐩𝐞𝐨𝐩𝐥𝐞 𝐬𝐚𝐲. "𝐈 𝐰𝐚𝐧𝐭 𝐭𝐨 𝐛𝐞 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐜𝐡𝐚𝐦𝐩𝐢𝐨𝐧 𝐨𝐟 𝐭𝐡𝐢𝐬 𝐯𝐮𝐥𝐧𝐞𝐫𝐚𝐛𝐥𝐞 𝐥𝐢𝐭𝐭𝐥𝐞 𝐠𝐮𝐲--𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐢𝐭'𝐬 𝐬𝐨 𝐦𝐮𝐜𝐡 𝐞𝐚𝐬𝐢𝐞𝐫 𝐭𝐨 𝐛𝐞𝐥𝐢𝐞𝐯𝐞 𝐢𝐧 "𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐦𝐨𝐧𝐬𝐭𝐞𝐫 𝐢𝐧 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐰𝐨𝐨𝐝𝐬," 𝐬𝐨 𝐈 𝐝𝐨𝐧'𝐭 𝐡𝐚𝐯𝐞 𝐭𝐨 𝐟𝐚𝐜𝐞 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐟𝐚𝐜𝐭 𝐭𝐡𝐚𝐭 𝐞𝐯𝐢𝐥 𝐜𝐚𝐧 𝐭𝐚𝐤𝐞 𝐯𝐞𝐫𝐲 𝐮𝐧𝐞𝐱𝐩𝐞𝐜𝐭𝐞𝐝 𝐟𝐨𝐫𝐦𝐬."

Dana T

🩷🩷🩷 thank you Lauren please be careful. I don’t trust those psychos

Tad Auty

Yep but you know how many women out there are like this? Sadly way too many! So many men want a mummy and so many women take over and choose the man’s clothes and friends etc So they can then blame mummy for everything. Wonder if we will hear from richard again !

Jen Healy Pockrus

I’m dying at the email! 🤦‍♀️🤣 Good grief. Lauren - In seriousness though, I’ve been worried about you since the day you got that email. I didn’t realize how threatening he was. Wow. I also got a vibe that around that same time in the trial there was some content creator ickiness going on. I wanted to say “who the heck is bullying our Lauren!?!?” Sigh. You really took it for the team on this one girl…. Thank you!!!!

Danni Hull

I agree Cristina.

Jamie Jam

Commenting to show my support! I greatly appreciate your incredibly thorough coverage of this case, Lauren. We’ve lost the plot when we start threatening violence against ppl reporting on a case where two children were brutally MURDERED.

natpack

Why would you want that man back in your home? If nothing else you would have no peace from the public. His wife should accept it. And also was his daughter at the verdict?

Jessica Carranza

You guys are the first Patreon I’ve ever joined.

Dana T

His mom and wife!!! The freaking enablers from hell

Kay Louise

We need t shirts “puffer 🐝 “

Tad Auty

His wife’s got a really bad case of “not my little boy “ It’s such a disservice to your children (or man child husband ) to do this to someone and keep them in a childlike state - even if they wanna be a grown up and own up!

Dana T

And his response “I don’t know why I did it” Mother fcker!!! How do you not know why you stole two children’s lives?! What is wrong in your brain? It has to be a sex or porn addiction that is out of control

Erin Aboudara

They’re nasty. I can’t stand them.

Dana T

Richard Allen is the character of nightmares. You let your girls go hang out on a path and they get brutally murdered?! It’s a horror movie

Kay Louise

I heard also people saying there was no SA because the girls were only naked! What the heck!!!

Erin Aboudara

I think she knew it very early on that it could have been him.

AubSauce

Would it be in poor taste if I change my Patreon name to: To Duck Yourself?! Lol

Dana T

He is a nightmare

Erin Aboudara

I think especially in the case of Ted Bundy’s mother, that poor woman came from a difficult family situation w/ the coercive control from her father, it was many times suggested that he was a product of incest even (I don’t think so). She was a nice lady, people in Tacoma, WA who knew her all say that she and her husband who adopted Ted and raised him with their subsequent children, tried their best with him. He clearly just wanted more and he self-sabotaged his education, career opportunities by being a thief and later, a killer of young women whom he viewed as being like a woman who rejected him in college at UW. Psychopathy, and I think BK Idaho 4 is like him.

Dana T

Can other people comment so I don’t feel so alone? 🙏

Kay Yorn

Lauren you did an outstanding job covering Delphi. This case is near & dear to my heart. I watched you & you & John thru Vallow Daybell & you did a great job. Watching all you went thru during Delphi to get a seat in the courthouse, i had to join your Patreon to show my appreciation!!!! Job well done!

Kay Louise

I think there are a few YouTubers very bothered by Lauren. I heard really harsh words and they are competitive about follows and $.

Denise Miller

Every single person who has claimed HTC was biased towards the prosecution, were biased towards the defence🤔🙄

Dana T

Dr John do you remember the Disney movie “watcher in the woods “ it was the scariest movie I’ve ever seen. I think they took it out of production

Trial Junkie

The woods are dark and secluded so they are scary

Samantha Molloy

I can’t speak on behalf of victims of course yet in my opinion I believe Abby and Libby would be proud of you, Lauren. I have a feeling once the dust has settled Libby’s Nan will provide you with an interview due to your care with victims, not only in the Girls’ case yet due to your love for all victims’ families you’ve touched and covered. Much admiration Mathias family, Samantha xox

PattyJ

And he saw those girls and theysawhim

Bethany Eskro

I believe it!

Dana T

They were children

Debbie Fulton

Gray Hughes is very rude, bad mouth women, he said Lauren, you are pretty, just too emotional. Hope he gets another hobby.

Dana T

Can Dr John please explain the crazy that is going on? Why I feel crazy for getting angry at their stupidity?

Cristina Lee

This letter was absolutely written by a woman, in my opinion

PattyJ

And he had a gun threatening them

Dana T

He is not “the regular man” people are insane!!! He’s a killer

Cristina Lee

I hate that you received any hate mail. Lauren, have been so neutral through this entire trial.

Tammy H.

I'm sorry Lauren, that people have threatened you!!! You do not deserve any of that!!! Thank you and Dr. John for all of your hard work!!!❤️

Cathy Hankins

She had help on each arm walking her out

Dana T

He said that once. He said he did it a few times according to the notes

Erin Aboudara

I agree.

BlondeGranny

I hope you report threats to the police !

Erin Aboudara

I do too. I think he wanted to confess, and the refusal of his wife to accept his confessions is quite telling as to how he began to behave while in jail.

MishaK

I appreciate you guys so much! I'm so sorry you've had to deal with such awfulness. You have always been fair and stuck to the facts. You were there every day and saw everything the jury did and they found him guilty! Justice was served today!

Megan Robinette

I was always struck by his alibi. When it was being reported as simply a picture of a person of interest and there was speculation it was from a trail cam, he stated he was there, at that time, dressed like the guy in the picture. I believe him, that he mentioned witnesses who mentioned him just reinforced my belief. His confessions just reinforced my belief. Side note, I am curious how he remembered the 4 girls on the trail as 3 girls and noted that one was clearly older and possibly babysitting. It’s like his attention was on the younger girls, to the degree he missed the other older girl. Why would that be how he observed them instead of just a group of girls? Who pays that level of attention when on a casual walk?

Dana T

They are referring to fillers. They are jealous!! You stand out in Delphi because you are kind, authentic, and pretty

Linda

Puffer fish?

clarification

Even without a gun, one man could intimidate two young girls.

Linda

I am sooo sorry such a person exists!!! & In a small town!! Crazy people exist everywhere!!

Joss Larkins

Question: this thing about if someone says “I think something happened…” that it didn’t really happen- so what if a person has a major trauma response to some kind of trigger (eg the smell of a male dentist’s hand near their mouth leads to a full body trauma response) & they say “I think something may have happened in the past that I don’t remember” is that then a false memory?

Erin Aboudara

Absolutely! I feel enlightened by the understanding of these personality disorders and now see his family as being extremely codependent with him while he manipulates them all.

Dana T

My boobs are fake! Who cares! Do what makes you feel good

Dana T

Lauren you are beautiful! They are jealous

MMB

Guess I'm in the minority still having questions about this. I really hope he is actually guilty given the verdict. I just think the state messed this one up so much with the disparate treatment of RA and the intense limiting of the defense and secrecy. Appreciate your dedication to this though, Lauren.

brenda redmond

I'm pretty sure Kathy Allen wrote that email. J/K Lol I know it's not funny but my husband and I had to pause and finish laughing while Dr. John read that email. The email is not funny, Dr. John reading it...was.

Kay Louise

What happened when the Sheriff yelled to leave?

Dana T

Dr John do you think thats family?

Bonnie Schoeneman-Dilley

Check out the many pictures/videos deleted but uncovered and shown on "Plunder" a You Tube creator that shared them. This is what convinced me that Richard Allen is "Bridge Guy"

Erin Aboudara

There’s a bunch of criminal defense attorneys who are working w/ YouTubers. This is how the misinformation and conspiracy theories were spread. I originally did believe he might be innocent but I don’t believe that at all since the trial really got going. The supporters of these YouTubers are the ones who are not open to receiving new information and processing that information rationally. It’s propaganda.

Dana T

I am so sorry. Thank you Jesus you are laughing. Fk this message don’t even finish reading it. Not worth it

Karen Rose

𝐑𝐮𝐧 𝐲𝐨𝐮𝐫 𝐡𝐚𝐭𝐞 𝐦𝐚𝐢𝐥 𝐭𝐡𝐫𝐨𝐮𝐠𝐡 𝐬𝐩𝐞𝐥𝐥 𝐜𝐡𝐞𝐜𝐤, 𝐩𝐞𝐨𝐩𝐥𝐞! 𝐒𝐨 𝐬𝐨𝐫𝐫𝐲 𝐲𝐨𝐮 𝐡𝐚𝐝 𝐭𝐨 𝐝𝐞𝐚𝐥 𝐰𝐢𝐭𝐡 𝐬𝐮𝐜𝐡 𝐧𝐚𝐬𝐭𝐢𝐧𝐞𝐬𝐬, 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐭𝐡𝐚𝐭 𝐲𝐨𝐮 𝐡𝐚𝐝 𝐭𝐨 𝐟𝐞𝐞𝐥 𝐭𝐡𝐫𝐞𝐚𝐭𝐞𝐧𝐞𝐝 𝐰𝐡𝐢𝐥𝐞 𝐩𝐮𝐭𝐭𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐬𝐨 𝐦𝐮𝐜𝐡 𝐞𝐧𝐞𝐫𝐠𝐲 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐞𝐟𝐟𝐨𝐫𝐭 𝐢𝐧𝐭𝐨 𝐲𝐨𝐮𝐫 𝐰𝐨𝐫𝐤. 𝐀𝐧𝐝 𝐈 𝐚𝐦 𝐡𝐚𝐩𝐩𝐲 𝐲𝐨𝐮 𝐜𝐚𝐧 𝐥𝐚𝐮𝐠𝐡 𝐣𝐮𝐬𝐭 𝐚 𝐥𝐢𝐭𝐭𝐥𝐞 𝐚𝐛𝐨𝐮𝐭 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐫𝐢𝐝𝐢𝐜𝐮𝐥𝐨𝐮𝐬 𝐩𝐚𝐫𝐭𝐬 𝐨𝐟 𝐭𝐡𝐢𝐬 𝐜𝐨𝐦𝐦𝐮𝐧𝐢𝐜𝐚𝐭𝐢𝐨𝐧, 𝐢𝐟 𝐨𝐧𝐥𝐲 𝐚𝐬 𝐚 𝐬𝐡𝐨𝐫𝐭-𝐭𝐞𝐫𝐦 𝐭𝐞𝐧𝐬𝐢𝐨𝐧 𝐫𝐞𝐥𝐢𝐞𝐟.

Dana T

Lauren do you feel safe?

Dana T

Do whatever the f you want!

Bonnie Schoeneman-Dilley

I agree with you

Kay Louise

Some one on Gray Hughes named Granny T said mean things!

Erin Aboudara

I don’t understand why people think that RA couldn’t do this alone. He had weapons. That’s how he did it himself.

Kay Louise

Cowards!

Bonnie Schoeneman-Dilley

Ditto!

Bethany Eskro

Regarding “I think I did it”, it’s distancing language. It lessens the severity. It comes up over and over again in interrogations and interviews

Trial Junkie

I’m so sorry you are threatened! That’s the worry about being public.

Kay Louise

Remember the Mordecai story, so many people knew but no one did anything and there is still bullying 40 years later! People still don’t believe what has come out.

Bonnie Schoeneman-Dilley

Ditto!

Dana T

And physical support

Rebecca Hayes

I’m so glad you both didn’t fall for the propaganda the defense creator was putting out. I didn’t think you could or would, but everyone else seemed to be falling for it so I was initially scared when that creator tried to woo you both. Thank you for logic and reason! The environment around this case has been so toxic. I’m glad you’re safe. I’m glad your integrity won’t allow you to be swayed. I’m glad to be a gem. One more thing, Dr. John critiquing the poorly written emails is giving me life. 🙌🏻😂

Dana T

Lauren I am so thankful you shared your truth. It made me trust you and Dr John. I think Lauren needs emotional support until she leaves Delphi

Jill Stroud

Thank you Dr J for your expertise and explaining dependent personality disorder. This brought me to a verdict of guilty with no suspicions or doubts. And…..thanks to you Lauren for your professional news coverage ie. your game face. Your sacrifice is fully acknowledged here. You are the most brilliant gem of all. Love ya both. 🙏🏼💜💙🙏🏼 🇨🇦🇨🇦🇨🇦

Cotton~Carolyn

Keep telling your truth Lauren. Your amazing.

Lauren Rencher

You two cover cases in a way no other creators can. Both of you have your own expertise and I like learning about these cases/human behavior without the ‘sensationalizing’ and conspiracy theories.

Dana T

I think the defense trolls are pure evil

Kay Louise

Heather~Carolyn no problems here, try going out and come back in.

Bonnie Schoeneman-Dilley

I agee 100%

Chelsea Gervan

Richard Speck controlled and murdered like 8 women in one night!

Joss Larkins

Thank you for confirming what I believed: that YouTubers were working with the defence!! (So damn obvious!)

Bonnie Schoeneman-Dilley

I agree too!

Karen Rose

𝐘𝐞𝐬-- 𝐰𝐡𝐞𝐧 𝐲𝐨𝐮'𝐫𝐞 𝐢𝐧 𝐚 𝐬𝐢𝐭𝐮𝐚𝐭𝐢𝐨𝐧 𝐭𝐡𝐚𝐭 𝐜𝐨𝐮𝐥𝐝 𝐛𝐞 𝐥𝐢𝐟𝐞 𝐨𝐫 𝐝𝐞𝐚𝐭𝐡, 𝐲𝐨𝐮 𝐚𝐫𝐞 𝐠𝐨𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐭𝐨 𝐝𝐨 𝐲𝐨𝐮𝐫 𝐛𝐞𝐬𝐭 𝐭𝐨 𝐬𝐮𝐫𝐯𝐢𝐯𝐞. 𝐀𝐧𝐝-- 𝐰𝐡𝐢𝐥𝐞 𝐰𝐞'𝐫𝐞 𝐚𝐥𝐢𝐯𝐞, 𝐢𝐭'𝐬 𝐯𝐞𝐫𝐲 𝐝𝐢𝐟𝐟𝐢𝐜𝐮𝐥𝐭 𝐭𝐨 𝐢𝐦𝐚𝐠𝐢𝐧𝐞 𝐭𝐡𝐚𝐭 𝐲𝐨𝐮 𝐦𝐢𝐠𝐡𝐭 𝐬𝐨𝐨𝐧 𝐧𝐨𝐭 𝐛𝐞. 𝐎𝐟 𝐜𝐨𝐮𝐫𝐬𝐞 𝐑𝐀 𝐜𝐨𝐮𝐥𝐝 𝐩𝐮𝐫𝐬𝐮𝐚𝐝𝐞 𝐭𝐡𝐞𝐦 𝐭𝐨 𝐠𝐨 𝐚𝐥𝐨𝐧𝐠 𝐰𝐢𝐭𝐡 𝐰𝐡𝐚𝐭𝐞𝐯𝐞𝐫 𝐡𝐞 𝐚𝐬𝐤𝐞𝐝.

Kay Louise

I feel sorry for the guy with the van too. Can you imagine people accusing you just because you live there. Logan too. Now Kelsie?

Dana T

Lauren is a bad ass. I loved her confidence and her going live. It is exactly what Libby would have done. Show the world what is happening around you

Bonnie Schoeneman-Dilley

Dr. John did a great job explaining dependant personality disorder and how this made sense in this case.

Kay Louise

Absolutely one person could do it! I also think Libby tried to fight or get away. Look at Bk in a short time/4 people but he had a knife. RA also has combat training to kill in the military!

Chelsea Gervan

I hope I don’t get called biased for saying this but I completely agree with Dr. Johns assessment of the confessions

Dana T

I know it sounds crazy but I was praying for the jury last few days and praying all evil would be conquered in that jury room. That God would intervene and let the jury see only truth

Cotton~Carolyn

It stopped playing, I can't hear anything.

Dana T

I totally agree

Bonnie Schoeneman-Dilley

Happy to be here! Thank you Lauren and John for your hard work on this case. I became convinced that he was guilty of this terrible crime after feeling conflicted after seeing multiple pictures and videos that Kathy posted on her deleated FB page shown on ("Plunder" You Tube site) Bridge Guy is Richard Allen I was able to hear his voice, walk, and mannerisms that errased any doubt.

kim Johnson

Recovered memories?

Denise Miller

Dr. John, your breakdowns of Richard Allen have been the most helpful in helping me understand this case. Thank you both for you logical approach to this case.

Dana T

He was probably drunk and blacked out when he molested her

Dana T

Amen. He confessed because he had an encounter with Jesus

Kay Louise

He may have touched his daughter when she was very young and doesn’t remember.

Sharon Ashcraft

Thank you Lauren and Dr. John great coverage of this case

Jen Healy Pockrus

I’m thinking part of Cathy was saving face regardless of what she believes

Amanda

The percentage of appeals that go through is like way under 50%

Kay Louise

He was confessing and RA told his truth! The family is not going to condemn him.

Dana T

So sad. Does Dr John think she remembers?

Cotton~Carolyn

Absolutely Dr. John, he sure did touch his daughter.

Dana T

Thank you DR john!!!

Lauren and John Matthias

Not home yet but I will be soon!

Lori Day

Love you two!

Danni Hull

Thank you Lauren and Dr. John for sharing your thoughts.

Renee Gruze

I live 25 minutes from Delphi and have been with this case since the girls went missing. I too was worried for Lauren, itsbbeen very heated with you tubers , etc for over year now. Lauren is one smart cookie though and made a lot of friends and allies while she was here.

Dana T

She has been brainwashed in my non professional opinion

Lauren and John Matthias

Have a safe flight!

Paul Maher Jr

Happy to join and contribute.

Lauren and John Matthias

Thanks for being here!!

Lauren and John Matthias

Thanks for being here!

Denise Miller

Good evening

Dana T

I’m new to this channel so I will do my best to filter my thoughts 😁

Kay Louise

Co dependence!

Becky (Rebecca Randall)

Yeah, chat's been A LOT, thank you both for your integrity and smarts, kindness and bravery.

Renee Gruze

Yes, it has been hostile since defense put out a Frank's memo in 2023 blaming an odinist group. This case has always had a lot of crazy and some hate with different theories, but after the Frank's memo the whole world went conspiracy and crazy.

Kay Louise

Wonder if KA is going to be like Rex H wife Asa?

Kay Louise

Facts and evidence versus spin and drama. There are other you tubers continuing the drama.

@Teejay

Ted bundy’s family couldn’t believe their relative was guilty either for ages until it was indisputable even then they had trouble getting their heads around it , Kathy Allen is not so different but she thinks she is .

kim Johnson

How could she not have some idea? I don’t get it

Debe Hale

So happy to hear your thoughts tonight!

Cotton~Carolyn

I think she knows he did this, that it was him in picture and his voice on the phone. I would onow my husband's voice and him in a picture.

Samantha Molloy

So proud of you Guys, hand on heart. Thank you.

brenda redmond

I was seriously worried about you Lauren. It seemed kind of like a hostile environment outside the courtroom. This has been a very strange trial. At the end of the day, there was justice for Libby and Abby.

mandy Butler

Just joined....looking forward to being with you both. Thank you for sharing....

Debe Hale

Hey Gems!

@Teejay

Thanks for the patreon the jury got it right

kim Johnson

You’re back

Kay Louise

So many facets to this case. Very interesting her tears turned to something else.

CatCats4

My first Patreon! You are both in my prayers. Thank you for sharing this

CB1

What a cool thing to be on a plane listening to a live Patreon with my FAVORITE true crime-rs!

Marnie Norris

So excited to hear what yall have to say and so grateful for the jury and everyone involved in the guilty verdict. Justice has been served. Imo. Thank u and Dr John for all your hard work and sacrifices. Y’all are awesome

kim Johnson

I lost you

Cotton~Carolyn

I madeeee it live finally.

Treesah

Dr. John, your insights have been so spot on! Thank you!

Elmo

Are you home already ? I’m so glad that case is done. Was that the rukus going on before you crossed the road ?

Tessa T

Very thankful for you both and for all you do!

kim Johnson

Hi John Lauren and Gems

Chelsea Gervan

You guys are great!

Nikki Eads

Lauren, your coverage has been astounding. Thank you for sacrificing yourself and your time with your family to bring the facts of this case to all of us! Thanking the Lord for justice for these sweet, precious girls!