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CG1

Also, he is a coward- so, after his fantasy world, got out of control- he hides, and blames everyone, else. I’m sorry, but, I have ZERO sympathy for, for Daybell.

CG1

I think Chad, had a testimony, of the LDS church, at one point, in his life- but, his ego/ pride, made him create a fantasy world, for him, in order to build himself up. So, in other words- I think Chad is an idiot, and got in too deep, with his fantasy world. He is evil.

Lynette Butler

NEW ❓ ❓ ❓Dr. John. I love you both. I have loved your Manson references. Do you think that if Chad is found guilty instead of thinking of himself EVERY as a Manson he will think of himself as a David seduced by Bathsheba, even though Bathsheba had no choice in the matter. I think his kids think that. Just as I think Lori thinks of herself as a kind of joan of arc ❓ ❓ ❓ would love to hear your thoughts on this kind of grandiosity ❓

Marybeth

I love this...and I love dr john and lauren you all rock!! Am glad to be a member of the 144.

Drkatiedds

One question for Dr John…… You both discussed Chads dislike of children? I work with children both as a dentist, and as a coach. I often feel like kids are much more perceptive than adults and can read people pretty well as they don’t have confirmation bias and go off more of how adults treat them or connect with him. I am guessing he is definitely not a favorite uncle and called out by the especially precocious kids. I am guessing he gets outsmarted by then and hates them for it, and they are not impressed by his bs.

Drkatiedds

Lauren, I adore Dr. Jon, and the unique perspective he gives to true crime. Don’t let any negative reviews get you down! I love your content too! I have been loving the trial updates and you are a force (not to be confused with the storm 🤦‍♀️). Keep doing what you do well, girlfriend!!

Chrissy Jackson

Just rejoined Patreon as I love your work. Had to take a break from this case as it affected me deeply and I’m 1,000s of miles away in the U.K. What I have never been able to understand is how well educated privileged people who grew up in a faith that reinforces the family unit and community values, then go on to kill four of their family members just for money and sex. It’s such an extreme reaction that they jumped into feet first without exploring any other options to be together. How do two people who apparently have never killed before then in their 40s/50s become killers on this scale. I cannot wrap my head around Alex’s mentality as he had nothing to gain from murdering on their behalf. Lori and Chad had a motive but what was Alex’s motive? I would love to hear your views on this

Theresa Wells

I have thought the same thing. Let him be free to usher in Christ. Uh huh.

Jenny Wren

I just watched your lunch live today, Lauren. I think I was naive. I had never even considered the possibility that Tylee had been assaulted before the final assault. My heart breaks for her.

Allison Carman

I just joined your Patreon and I'm happy to be able to comment. This story is just amazing to me and have been listening to the trial in the evenings and your podcast and YouTube as much as I can. I think we have a sex addict that is hiding in this ridiculous religion. I think Chad has been like this all his life and agree that he "settled" in his mind for Tammy. He is totally insecure and trying to get approval through this religious BS as well as having this life with Lori, his idea of a goddess. He seems to think "this could never happen to me" like she would never be someone in his life and so it has to take absolute priority in his life. I have been in 2 marriages with sex addicts that were narcissists and watching them be completely obsessed with sex that they couldn't be successful in life. They literally could not hold a job or do well because their sex thoughts were so distracting. Of course finding me to marry who is very similar to Tammy sans the LDS beliefs, I held down the job or made the majority of the money. The fantasy life is is where they live.

Ausiemoon

I’m in Australia and homeschooled my last 4 children. Best thing I ever did! Was only visited once by an “inspector “. I proudly showed her the curriculum I had handpicked, but her only comment was “when are you doing Aboriginal studies?” I kid you not!!! As for the reading of the loin fire texts in court. I was watching Chad closely, and he seemed to be proud of his literary skills!! Thankyou Lauren and Dr John for your coverage of this case. I’m fascinated by the fact that so many people were involved in these tragedies and did nothing. Unbelievable!!

Jeanya

No guilt Dr John, I think we all go through the ups and downs of this horrible case. It is truly unbelievable how isolated some people become in their own delusions. Lauren, do you ever think that Kay would tell us a little about Charles? I loved how Tammy's friends & co-workers told us about her. She was the worker bee in that family.

Stephanie Eubanks

I think we go back and forth about Chad because he is both….a conman, manipulator AND he gaslights his own self into truly believing.

Pppmomof3

Did I miss the discussion about Chad’s hands? 😂🤷‍♀️ Happy Mothers Day!

Stephanie Eubanks

Don’t forget the raccoon who forgot he was nocturnal. Hes def 6.2 dark 😜

liz miller

I'd love to get Dr. John's take on the mormon teachings that masturbation is bad, etc...when it comes to properly teaching boys about sexual feelings. Is Chad developmentally behind because of this kind of teaching? and are a lot of mormon men sexually frustrated?

m.phebee.smith.m@gmail.com

John has it the "church" believes it has the perfect everything and the crazy uncles are wreaking havoc everywhere. Everyone is a step from being the crazy uncle.

Laura Carson

One thing I have learned from the trial is that Tammy was universally loved and I wonder if Chad hated that.

Laura Carson

In my book, anything that makes fun of Chad is a good thing as he would hate it.

m.phebee.smith.m@gmail.com

Megan--thank you for sharing that. I agree!

Robin Murray

Thank you so much for this talk. I found Hidden True Crime through Dr. John's excellent analysis of the Murdaugh family. I went back this week and re-listened to the Murdaugh episodes. There are similar themes of family secrets and family shame and obstruction of justice and living above the law. But the key theme of manipulation and control is so concerning.

Heidi

I haven’t taught in Arizona, Texas, or Idaho. In my state previous schools send IEPs to the new school. There has sometimes been trouble when the previous school doesn’t forward the records and we are “flying blind.” If the parent doesn’t mention anything, there is no way for the new school to know. There also are rules about forwarding student info without parent permission (I don’t know the school to school specific because I’m not involved in that). It is very possible that a parent could say they are moving/ home schooling and then drop off the map. It would be hard for a concern teacher/ school to follow up (I think). Call child protective services? Does anyone know more? I’m only peripheral—as a teacher.

Heidi

Home schooling regulations are different state to state. Some states have little to no oversight. There are some groups trying to regulate it more.

RobynB

I’m on the east coast so I finished listening to the Q&A, this morning. I have to say being one of the earliest followers of HTC and checking out for a few years for some personal wellness time that you all have staid the course and evolved to something really special. I love the interaction, the GEMS and community it has created.

Lala Del Bray

Agree- Prior looks like he's defeated and tired. I think it's getting to him.

Lauren and John Matthias

Ah, Ok! I was just so happy to see Tammy —a name I’ll always love.

Lauren and John Matthias

So glad you’re here! Thank you!

Lauren and John Matthias

THANK YOU

NurseCrystal

Happy Mother's Day Lauren!

Cassandra Tee

Thanks John and Lauren I can't get my phone to connect so couldn't on to get to ask a question. Which would of been fun as I was walking my Dog and out hanging clothes while listening. But it's been great a arvo ( here in Australia) of live. Happy Mother's Day

Jen Linschoten

Would LOVE to see you on Mormon Stories!

Bonnie Schoeneman-Dilley

Yes I did get in TY

Jen Linschoten

Because the radical and fringe are devout, attend weekly, hold callings, and pay tithing.

Stefani Ellison

How do we listen only without being sent backstage?

Stefani Ellison

Me too. How do we just listen without going backstage?

Mary Salgado

He actually seems to show pride when it's being read in trial. Watch how he pays attention

Cassandra Tee

Didn't one of tge witnesses or maybe I heard it in a podcast...mentioned that they spoke with WmEmma shortly after her mother's death and her biggest fear was around Chad remarriage, and sge mentioned because sge didn't believe in polygamy. Which makes one think tgat Chad had mentioned polygamy to tge family leading up to Tammy's daath

Katerina Kanavos

Oh and I have so missed seeing you Dr John! Love getting your thoughts and insights into these issues that are so often total chaos and unimaginable to most of us. Big hugs and extra prayers for comfort on your first Mother’s Day without your precious Mom. ❤️🙏🏻

Katerina Kanavos

I am a first time user here as well and missed it due to not having the proper equipment for it… wasn’t prepared to be on camera either lol anyhow, I truly appreciate all you two do! Happy Mother’s Day Lauren! Have a day of complete blessings! Be good at being blessed lovely lady, you so deserve it! ❤️💎🙏🏻🦋

Colleen Canning

Megan's comments made me sob 😥 It's good to have a community of folks that seem to understand a lot of the awful experiences life can offer.

Marci Schwartz

Have a Happy Mother’s Day Lauren. Sending you extra love and prayers since your mother is struggling with her health. And Sending Dr. John extra love and comforting thoughts as this is his first Mother’s Day without his Mother. You two are loved ❤️

Carissa Clark

It depends on the state

CJ

New member here. Thank you Lauren and Dr. John for all your hard work

Terrie

Hi Wohol You’ll need to click into the true crime streamyard connect button. It takes you into backstage to wait for your turn to speak face to face with Dr. John and Lauren. Hope you have a wonderful night🌸

Sue

144! It is a sign!

Terrie

Hi Bonnie Did you connect into the streamyard link true crime set up. Scroll up or down until you find. Click into it for backstage wait to speak with Dr. John and Lauren face to face for questions. Have a good evening 🌷

Terrie

The link to the streamyard is still up. You can scroll up and click in to backstage. You’ll be able to speak to Dr. John and Lauren face to face for questions 🌷

Judy N.

My thoughts were that Chad was feeling proud of his self. He sat there with his chin up and that smug look on his face.

maria rubio

loved lauren blushing

Terrie

Welcome Sue 🌷

Terrie

Hi Dee When you come on there is a streamyard link button you’ll need to click into. It will take you back stage to wait for your turn to speak face to face with Dr. John and Lauren. 🌸

Juanita Stamper

She had multiple marriages amd much more experience than Chad. And as an old saying goes, "she took him around the world", and he lost all common sense.

Terrie

Hi Elizabeth Yes go to the true crime stream link. Click and it will take you into backstage and Lauren / Dr John will call on you. You see and speak to them face to face. Enjoy 🌸

Elizabeth

is there any proof that Chad attempted to add Lori to his marriage with Tammy? I mean bring polygamy ?

Terrie

Hit link below to speak with Lauren and Dr. John face to face for questions. You’ll be able to hear others in the backstage. Have great night🌸

Terrie

Tara Welcome 🌸

Lynnette coster

I’ll be really irritated if they play ‘Mormon nice’ with the Daybell children

Terrie

Yes you do. It will take you into the wait mode to speak with Dr. John and Lauren face to face. You’ll be able to ask, comment and speak with them. You can hear others ask there questions and answers. Hope this helps. Welcome🌷

Soozie Bee

Uncle Rex is really ticked that Chad is putting his kids on the stand!

Tammy G

I am not connected to the case aka Tammy G on streamyard

Judy N.

On the lighter side, it was Lori, Melanie Gibb and the LDS church in the portal with a paint gun

Mary Salgado

She wouldn't let her defense do much related to Chad.

Mary Salgado

I think it's Lori's strategy to throw her under the bus to save Chad. Her Prophet

Wendybird

Shared fantasy and love bombing is classic Narcissistic behavior. He loves the word “undeniable”. Hmmm

Mary Salgado

How do you connect to ask a question?

Elizabeth

As an adoptee myself, what a beautiful story.

Terrie

So very 😢 sad. I believe in time, they will begin to want to know the truth and have support from those that love them. Family ties are a lifetime. At least this is what I’m hoping for.

Stephanie Eubanks

I’ve wondered about the LDS women and how they’re coped. So many around Chad and Lori lost their faith or it was a catalyst to go down a new path of discovery of some sort. Thats a tough transition, my heart goes out to them.

Penny Jones

Loved the program. Thank you for all you both do to help us understand the situation. It is a hard pill to swallow. Smile.

Terrie

Hi Judy Welcome 🌷

Elizabeth

I know it's hard, or impossible for ya'll to talk about politics, but to me, the radicalization of politics happening right now are such an important part of this story.

Terrie

Hi Jilly Welcome🌸

Juanita Stamper

Most children have been "groomed" by the parents to take their side, from birth.

Terrie

Hi Jeanne Hansen and Laura Ferris I was not able to write the complete address down that was flashed up. Can you please send me again? Thank you so much🌸

Lynnette coster

Mormons are particularly adept at avoiding unpleasant or uncomfortable social interactions.

double espresso

Tonight's show added a whole other layer to this tragic madness. I wish the prosecution could add Dr John's insights - especially the part when Lori gives Chad a blessing and the realization that that was the moment when Chad gained control. I laughed and learned. TY!

Holly Hoch

I think the kids are in denial because how can they face the truth?

Lisa Fowler

I have been struck again and again in this case by how many of the people in that community are truly, deeply kind.

Lynnette coster

The children have already cut themselves off from their own relatives.

Tamee

Awww. His little "are we done" made me think of my siblings qhen we would go on long trips when we were young (I'm the oldest of 7). Hang in there lil guy!

Sue

I’ve known a few people that followed Q. Scary and sad, as well. Chad called Julie Rowe dark. Interesting.

Lynnette coster

We have Qanons in here? They deserve to be laughed at…

Lynne Ballman

What relatives of Chad’s are attending the trial?

Holly Hoch

It’s my first time but I just clicked on the May 11 livestream and it took me to the patreon stream on YouTube. Only fifty can get into the stream yard at a time so you don’t need to use that link unless you want to talk with them.

Judy N.

Newbie also

Davis 🐊

🐊 your respect and genuine caring comes through. I’m 1st time Pat user

Ruth Claessens

I’m wondering the same thing.

Jilly Poppy

New here!

rivergirl

Well, I have to run. Hope I can catch up on this later. Later on, Patreon! :)

Michelle Franco

Do we need to hit the stream yard link to to watch or hear? Newbie here.

Marci Schwartz

It was good to laugh about it!! Love the disco 💃🏻 mix that was done!

Davis 🐊

🐊 Chad & Lori have done so much harm to many, why would he continue to hurt all family? And TY for much needed humor

Ruth Claessens

Laughing at the macabre is cathartic, I think.

Bonnie Schoeneman-Dilley

Julie Rowe is scary

Davis 🐊

??? I can’t understand why Chad would go forward and not take a lifetime plead. Does he realize what his adult children are being put through if they have to testify, all of Tammy’s family and the Daybells. I’m a Patreon newbie

Holly Hoch

First time for me too! The backstage thing is pretty cool.

Marci Schwartz

She said that she was coming for Chad & Julie J

Marci Schwartz

I’m here just listening. Ty for everything

Nancy Propheter

Are they live now?

Holly Hoch

Oh Diana, I’m so sorry. Our Caroline died in 2009 and it’s still fresh. We talk about her all the time. Tears are healing but so is laughter. Sending you big hugs.

Ruth Claessens

Is it true that wringing your hands is showing guilt?

Susan Ragsdale

Can you speculate on Loris reaction to Chad’s throwing her under the bus?

Sue

Right, Julie Rowe threatening and naming names.

g dubs

Can someone tell me if this comment stream is considered the "chat" on here? First time patreon user here...

Basia

you're both looking great!

Kimm Baker

What's the chat link?

Yery

Julie Rowe genuinely terrifies me. Please be careful.

Katie Wilkinson Paulsen

Do you think Chad really understands the enormity of the situation he is in? Facing the death penalty? He seems so unbothered by it all

Yery

Just got here. So glad to make it! Thank you both for all of your hard work🙏🏽✨

Soozie Bee

Newbie here!!

g dubs

Is this considered "the chat" for this stream? First time user here....

Wohol Diana

Thanks for sharing. My 17 yo daughter was killed in 2013. I keep trying to tell my other children and the rest of her dad’s family it’s ok to laugh and talk about her. It’s like it’s a dirty word to them and it’s broken my heart. I can’t say her name when remembering a moment without someone having a fit.

Sue

Love, loved your Loin Fire song.

Tara Lee

New Member...

Cindy Ginter

can't see it

Cindy Ginter

can

Katie Wilkinson Paulsen

❤️❤️❤️

JudyV

During some of the reading in court Chad appeared smug although the courtroom isn’t all that easy to see. Did you observe any smugness Lauren?

Holly Hoch

Figuring patreon out. This is my first time on.

Lauren and John Matthias

https://streamyard.com/c8imqtpz3d

Stephanie Ketter

Do you think Chad feels embarrassment or pride when the inner workings of his teachings are discussed so openly?

g dubs

Push the play button everyone!

Elizabeth

Can we ask questions here? Sorry confused!

Ruth Claessens

I do think Lori fancied her sexuality as her super power.

Erica A. Zwick

Chad told Suzanne Freeman, whose books he published, that he and Tammy were soulmates. “He would tell me she was his soulmate, and he knew her in the pre-existence, and when he met her, they knew each other."

Lauren and John Matthias

JOIN TO ASK US A QUESTION: https://streamyard.com/c8imqtpz3d

Susan Ragsdale

What do you think Loris reaction to Chad’s turn about is?????

Wohol Diana

Yes they are

Katie Alosi

The first thing I heard, was that you couldn't be here long.

Bonnie Schoeneman-Dilley

I am on Patrion

Linda

Hello John and Lauren

Leigh Terry

I can see and hear you now.

Elizabeth

I'm hearing you!!!

Cindy Ginter

Dr. John what was the book called by the woman who analyzed Q anon??

Bonnie Schoeneman-Dilley

I am here

Dee Maynard

Are they having this or is it too late?

Leigh Terry

Hello all!

Kathleen Liakos

So excited

Susan Ragsdale

My first !

Wohol Diana

I think he saw arm candy and she thought she was getting a man with money.

Ruth Claessens

QQQ: I seem to recall MG saying she had a child on the spectrum. Was she referring to David Warwick’s adult son?

Katie Alosi

I feel like laughing at Chad and Lori's ridiculousness, lessened their power in some way. They are monsters, but we can banish them from darkening our minds and live in joy.

Elizabeth

BTW, I'm Ewrites on YouTube. I am also a Child Development specialist with a Masters whose specialty is children under five with autism. I'm a HUGE reader and I ADORE listening to Dr John's analysis. He's made me buy so many books. Thanks to you both for all you do to bring sanity and love to this awful case. (And yes, we need to laugh sometimes too). Xx

Marci Schwartz

Hi Gems 💎

Wohol Diana

I think we are waiting for them to switch over from last live.

RobynB

That was exactly what I needed, I love these two, they’ve worked so hard to bring all this knowledge to us!! We’ve all laughed, cried and learned together.

Bonnie Schoeneman-Dilley

Waiting

Linda

Hello

Kimm Baker

Loinfire!!🩳🩳🩳🩳

Lisa Fowler

You’re a little bit early. Hidden Hour went long due to reading James and Elaina.

Mary Salgado

I think we're early. YouTube ran a bit over

Lu Holt

Lauren and Dr. John will be here shortly.

Marta Fonda

Has anyone checked to see if it was Alex or Chad’s voice that called into Banner Life Insurance for Charles and had them assign “him” a password? Would t this be good for the criminal case if it was Chad??

Mc Spunky

I have my Loinfire ready

Amy Bonner

They haven't started yet so you're good

Elizabeth

Glad to be here!

Tova

I’m curious about Chads reaction to the reading of the love story. He has to see that people are not only embarrassed but horrified.

Bonnie Schoeneman-Dilley

That rap was hilarious

Lynnette coster

Am I late? Or early??

Polly Olson

QQQ- I wish we could see Chad while his sister in law and brother in law testified? What was Chad doing ????

Amy N.

QQQQ :Do you think that one of the reasons Mel G was so calm and cool on the stand during the cross is because she has high psychopathic traits?

Chandra

Agreed. Therapist here as well.

Bonnie Schoeneman-Dilley

They both seem to be emotionally stunted impulsive and reckless people

Bonnie Schoeneman-Dilley

Is it possible that for Lori she is addicted to men being obsessed with her. ( multiple husband 's) and for Chad he is like a emotionally stunted adolescent hungry for sex and obsessed with her sexually?

Kathy

Are you coming on tonight ?

Holly Hoch

I think laughter is a natural response to deal with grief and horror. When our nineteen year old daughter Caroline died very suddenly and unexpectedly, we (my husband and I and our other children) cried all the time, but we also laughed at every funny memory. And we laughed at things we didn’t expect to as well. So I think our laughing at the texts tonight helps us deal with the horrors of this crime. Not a psychologist here but speaking from my own experience.

Liz Johnson

Yay

Wendybird

Mormons in my experience do not discuss lust. It’s either an elevated super spiritual religious thing… or… lascivious whoredom stuff. We don’t explain the normalcy of just good old LUST. Too me the Dumbell couple are perfect examples. They couldn’t just have an affair and eff it out. The hotness dies out on its own and families don’t have to be destroyed. Licensed Professional Counselor here. Luv your work.