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Join us tonight - New evidence in Ruby Franke Case

🕑 Added 2024-03-23 23:45:27 +0000 UTC

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Mary Hatchet

That was astounding, Jodi uttering bizarre promises of no illness. She did not sound stable, or very convincing for that matter. She did sound dangerous.

Mary Hatchet

One of the many terrifying aspects to this case is that either this is a school of thought, or this was almost a school of thought. If Ruby and Jodi had had their way, it would have been. I view this at the very least as a near miss, for many other people to have embraced these beliefs. I would describe their view of raising children as basically full-time 24/7 exorcism. Children that live like this, parents who think that their children are just constantly evil, discipline becomes exorcism. People die being exorcised, children die being exorcised. Literally. This is terrifying. I love you both for all you do ❤️

Adrienne Corral

Y'all should check out Some Place Under Neith, they have clips of 7 Passageners videos from previous to Jody's influence and they talk extensively about Ruby's family. It's where I first heard about the case, and they do a wonderful job of sharing concerns about the kids. It's in their Parasocial Exploration episodes in 2022, before the kids ever left the Franke house hold. (Episodes 56 - 62)

Lynette Butler

??? as someone who’s been following these cases with you from the beginning, I must say the most striking thing to me is that even when those involved, or who have been in the circle of these defendants in all these cases—even while they’re admitting they have been terribly “deceived”, or “got it wrong” they STILL don’t question for a second that God is still speaking to them, and that they are still super significant to God. John, Lauren, how is it possible in the human brain to wake up and recognize how faulty your thinking has been without it leading them to questioning themselves every second for the rest of their lives? I would. It just baffles me how quickly they go from “oh, look how deceived I was”, to “and now this is why God wants me in jail and what he said to me this morning” without questioning that? How? How? How?

Genny

Hi, I know that Kevin talked about Jody’s arms and always wearing long sleeves. There are several photos of her arms in the lake Havasu jet skiing photos - they don’t look mutilated - another on some sort of walk or hike.

Sónia Luciano

I have a question about the interview of Frankie. It's before our after he try to acuse is daughter of stealing.

Julie Port

I have another really general question! How do people develop the belief that they are entitled or allowed to hurt other people?

Carla Perkins

Yeah, I always give people too much credit.

Laura Biddle

I think they met when Ruby took Chad to Jodi for counseling.

Julie Port

Is Kevin making up the poltergeist activity as a way to justify certain actions, or does he believe things he was told? I don't believe in poltergeists. I believe in grifters setting things up. Could things have been set up to justify certain people's "illness"? Either by then or their saviours? (Sounds very drama triangle, the persecuter, the persecuter and the saviour)

Laura Biddle

Oh Bobby! That’s terrible! I understand how it could happen.

Laura Biddle

I found the Hannahs on FB.

Laura Biddle

Not out of ignorance. She’s evil.

Laura Biddle

And a Mormon bishop would come to cast out evil spirits? Is that normal for a regular Bishop?

Julie Port

Can this level of psychosis exist with the intelligence and sophistication of Ruby where she believes her children are either inhabited by evil spirits or tempted by satan and yet; make the statement she made to court; while saying on the phone calls that she knows Jodi has a certain approach so she knows her approach will counter and be better? Can people with psychosis be this sophisticated?

Renée Price

Blown away by this episode . Dr. John and Lauren , your insights are so necessary in learning about how greed , inflated sense of self importance are prevalent amongst these two corrupt, sick individuals. Sadly, I have come to see there are many more out there . Thank you for educating us !

Emily N

How does someone get to the point where they see injuries like that on their son and not only ignore them, but put the ropes back on? How does anyone develop so much hate that they spend so much energy coming up with creative torture methods? Is it possible for behavior like this to happen without the presence of a personality disorder or other serious mental health problem? The photos of R’s wrist are going to stick with me for a while.

Lauren and John Matthias

Ha! We’ll have to listen. We def agree with vinnie

Laura Biddle

Listen to Vinnie Politan’s Sunday night live on YouTube - he is convinced Ruby and Jodi had a little “something something” going on. Or that’s what Jodi wanted. It’s hilarious to listen to him talk about it.

Vanessa French

I took the prescription drugs they were getting as them getting supplies for their food storage / emergency bags. Which maybe doesn’t seem odd to me as both an ex-mo and as someone who has enough extra of my prescription meds to safely wean myself off them if something were to happen to disrupt my access to a pharmacy 🤷‍♀️😅

Vanessa French

Me too. Too much information to sift through it all in one go!

Vanessa French

I’m choking on the hypocrisy of how Jodi preaches “no one who lives in truth has any illness”, while she spends weeks unable to bathe and self harming. The cognitive dissonance to believe you’re the purest of the pure, that anyone spiritually healthy is free of illness… while being so obviously sick / behaving in very sick ways. (Cuz who knows how much is a show)

Isabel Hendrix

Also curious if Pam is under investigation after all of this, and the info Jessi provided as well of course… she knows A LOT. And has A LOT of skeletons in her closet, no doubt. I also wonder about how J got from the dentist appointment to Pam’s house the day of the arrest. Were they all tipped off by someone? Wish we could hear from the Hannah’s as well.

Isabel Hendrix

Some of my thoughts are about how incompetent police officers & detectives seem to be… maybe it’s because we have so much extra knowledge but it seems like they continue to miss a lot of important aspects. Also, from reading Ruby’s notes it felt like to me R wanted the neighbor to bring him to the police to “turn himself in” rather than to be rescued from the abuse. Ruby mentions that R wanted to go to jail/juvie, get relief from her and Jodi, and of course R believed he was evil at the time. It’s so heartbreaking. It also makes me think of JJ & Tylee, I wonder if they were treated in a similar way at all since there is so much overlap in belief here… so sad all around. I wish we had more info on the “pen papers”.

Carla Perkins

I've listened to this 3 times because I find it unbelievable... Except those children were in a Jodi death march ... I'm fo gullible I give people credit for having brain cells. Please write a letter about this to the parole board in Utah

Jennydiver

Your comment was so insightful and appreciated. AA can be super destructive and that doesn't get enough attention in our culture. I appreciate your sharing that and believe you absolutely. I am so glad you got away from it, that took a lot of courage. Congrats and welcome back!!

Bonnie Schoeneman-Dilley

I have so many questions after watching 11 newly released videos 1. Kevin's 2nd interview with detectives when he talked about disturbing things about Jodi. 1. Jodi talking about experiencing dark shadows following her, Jodi coming to live with Kevin and Ruby and how lights flickered, odd noises in the house, her taking over the 2nd floor of the house. Kevin being reduced to a stranger in his own home, Ruby emptied they bank account and the children's I would love to get John's perspective on these things

Lolo McGee

Great show tonight guys! I will definitely be diggin in to all these docs until next week!! There is sooo much to get through. I am glad you guys are doing another Hidden Hour on this case! Thanks again for all that both of tou do for us!

DoxieMom

Thanks for all your hard work and knowledgeable review of these two women that have lost their way!!!

Colleen Canning

??? Am I hearing that Jodi was self harming? Did Kevin say that Jodi went to a couples' house for 6 weeks? And that Ruby was jealous? Can we talk about how Jodi's self harming is a method of manipulating her close circles?

Carla Perkins

Jodi appears to suffer from severe religiosity similar to Lori vallow. I believe given the opportunity, she would kill children out of ignorance, pushing them way to far.

Lauren Rencher

I watched the video where it took the police and paramedics four hours before the little girl could be convinced to leave to closet she was in. And the boy asking for two favors, the first being to bring him to the police station because of ‘personal matters’. Then hearing Jodi and Ruby in all the other released videos………. I wanted to rage destroy things in my house. Jodi and Ruby really give Chad and Lori some fierce competition for being the human versions of Garbage Pail Kids.

Drkatiedds

Just a note to say how Much I appreciate all of your content!

Lauren Rencher

I had the same reaction. The Kevin video was wild. Was he saying Jodi has self harm scars all over her arms? And I’m super curious who the Hannah’s are.

Becky (Rebecca Randall)

Dr. John, is Jodi a misandrist? (female version of a misogynist?) Or named diagnosis aside, isn't her deep rooted men-hating techniques not only unethical but somewhat of a catalyst for a lot of this?

Kris

I just listened to the recording of Kevin with the police!! Holy cow!! Worse than we ever thought!! Especially Jodi!!!!Question since I live in Utah who are the Hannah’s?? What “cult” were they in besides Jodi’s?? Also will the parole board already have all this info that was just released??

Patty Glissmann

My question is will the parole board see these pics before they decide if they get parole?

Bobbi

Will any of the authorities pay attention to Kevin telling Ruby on the recorded call that he will do everything in his power to “keep truth” in his family? Pretty sure he means Jodi’s brand of truth!

Alicia Walker

QQQ Can you address what makes people sadists? Are ruby and Jodi equally sadistic or is one worse than the other.

Bobbi

I wish someone would take a deep dive into how Jodi used the tenants of 12 step programs to manipulate and control people. I was in Al-Anon for four years and my sponsor literally took over my entire life. She was so much like Jodi Hildebrandt. It took me two solid years of therapy to recover from the brainwashing that that organization did to me.

Alicia Walker

QQQ what's up with Kevin? Were the jailhouse talks with ruby before he saw the photos of his abused children? Is there any chance he will get custody after abandoning his kids with the monsters? Does the fact he tried to have his older kids arrested for getting clothes and iPads at their house...Will this hopefully preclude him from getting custody.

Bobbi

Do you think the LDS church will excommunicate Jodi and Ruby?

TN Laura

I’ve read through / viewed some but not all the evidence. It’s horrifying. A few questions I have: How did Ruby and Jodi first meet up and develop whatever relationship they had? Was Ruby on the road to severely abusing and torturing her children regardless of whether she forged the relationship with Jodi? What responsibility does Husband Franke bear? I shudder to think of children being in his care again. Finally: Jodi’s practice was endorsed and recommended by bishops and other leaders in the LDS Church? How does this tie into the phenomenon you’ve covered of the dangerous notion of being personally entrusted with revelations and discernment? (Asking as a never-mo).