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Kim

Revisiting after all the Brian Thompson discourse and the manhunt that’s going on right now for his murderer. I immediately thought about John talking about how these single-acting individuals have extremely personal and complicated motives + an act like this is motivated greatly by the fame and notoriety. What’s even more troubling to me is how callous people are being about the murder due to Brian’s profession. People are calling the shooter a “hero” and they’re saying basically what a “man” the shooter is for what he did. For all I know, Brian could’ve been a terrible guy that took advantage of everyone to make it to the top. But in no way is cold-blooded murder ever the right solution or answer. But social media is giving absolutely everything the shooter wanted: fame, notoriety, being called a genius; even so far as to ask him to target another CEO while he’s at it. This society lacks empathy and it’s extremely concerning. But this is why I’m a gem because 1. I really also want to become a forensic psychologist, (victim of a lot of past trauma I want to understand LOL), but 2. we all need to be reminded of what’s hidden beneath the hurt and Lauren and John always do it so beautifully. You guys both inspire me daily! Thank you!!!

Patricia Seybold

Hello, dearest John and Lauren. Your coverage of everything is superb.

Sharon Ashcraft

Trama sometimes does start at home

Tammy Morgan

I love button downs 🥰

Anna

Hi, Anna here in the uk. Thank you so much for doing this. I work in safeguarding in the uk ( child and adult abuse prevention and protection including prevention of extremism and radicalisation) as you may know we have recently had a devastating attack in a summer school your thoughts and insights have enabled me to have some very helpful and supportive conversations with those I work with who have been affected by this terrible event. Thank you so much

Kathleen Caroline

I wonder if his parents since they have seen a lot of people with different mental health issues were thinking, not our kid. Almost like, we raised him so he couldn’t have mental health issues, and they basically chose not to see it.

Bonnie Schoeneman-Dilley

Thank you John and Lauren for all you do to create a place for education, respectful discussion about complex issues in our country. I so appreciate being apart of the HTC community!

Bonnie Schoeneman-Dilley

Thank you Terri for your thoughtful comments

Maechelle

Omg Winning! Thank you for the link!!! Love you guys so much!

Lauren and John Matthias

Hi Maechelle, The link is in the body of this post: https://youtu.be/j5F68AnFvA4?si=0vGijQUwZ9jAVRPh The audio version will be posted on Apple later today. We post our bonus patreon-only episodes and patreon lives on Patreon.

Maechelle

And if it was live, was it recorded and will go in Patreon live library?

Maechelle

I have looked everywhere Patreon and free Apple feed and can not locate the podcast before this where the actual analysis took place. Can anyone point me in right direction? Ty

Erin Aboudara

Same here! Today I also joined GiGi/@PrettyLiesandAlibies. My 2 favorite true crime podcasts!

Chickydew

I just wanted to say thank you for addressing what happened and potentially why it happened. This is a stressful time for many because there are very few people bringing this awareness to the forefront. Most people are fed the politics the clickbait and just get used to seeing things that way. Due to that no one feels secure in what the answer is to these issues like what happened. If people can’t understand why they can’t even begin to feel secure and problem solve it. Nothing gets solved and people live that stress. By you bringing this up you have stood up for honesty and balance. For that I’m thankful. Even I began to get stressed. Listening to your video on this lifted so much of that for me because it was literally a balanced conversation about truth. Mental health and parenting needs to become quality and accessible to the people in this country. We have a crisis in this area and until that’s addressed it will continue. I feel the fight for truth is very difficult in fixing this. I tend to feel that some may not want mental health addressed as it can potentially be a benefit to some who profit off of the crisis . I may be wrong about that. I just want to thank you for talking about it. Truly.

CJ

Thank you Lauren and Dr. John !

Stephanie James

I really appreciate Dr. John’s knowledge on this subject and glad you covered the topic. Thank you both.

CB1

Me too. I bit the bullet and just joined Patreon tonight after listening to last night’s excellent podcast on YouTube. After following HTC for years, and trusting the heart of their content, it was time to level-up and become a Patreon Hidden Gem. 💎

Cindy Ginter

Sorry I missed the live, but surfacing the societal issues that cause people to not speak up or get help is heavily to do with social media. People are always projecting their false selves or phony ideas of who they are, makes authenticity and vulnerability almost obsolete. Thanks for the show, gave so much food for thought.

Miss Honeychurch

Great show

Jmfbf

Totally get Shelly

Carol

You did a beautiful job.

Jmfbf

Totally disagree with WomanOfSteel, blatantly political.

Lauren and John Matthias

Thank you Michelle!

Lauren and John Matthias

We actually had that talking point in, but as further info came out, we removed it. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/thomas-crooks-posted-ominous-message-shooting-july-13-will-premiere-wa-rcna162514 https://www.wtae.com/article/trump-rally-gunman-steam-account-post/61634104 So much is coming out so quickly, it’s hard to keep up!

Lauren Leiendecker

After being bullied as a child I have so many fears that my son will be bullied. He is 6 now and is extremely intelligent and unique. He has a speech disorder and has been in speech therapy since 18m old and it is still very present. He is a sweet and sensitive soul, an empath. I have witnessed one of his schoolmates being really mean to him already on the playground on 1 occasion. He already is showing signs of depression and anxiety and is not resilient at all at this point in his development. I am working everyday on resiliency and developing grit. One question I have is how does a parent deal with their own child if they are bullies? If your child is being bullied by a specific child or group of children what is the best way to address this has a parent? Do you approach the parents? I know if I was a parent of a bully I would be horrified.

Pppmomof3

I do believe your public YouTube on this topic was exceptional and very important. Thank you for putting it out into the world. Dr John’s final comments were nothing short of profound. IMO Patreon stream got a bit political for a while. Dr John did attempt to steer away from it. But to be honest that did disappoint me. I feel both sides have said and done some pretty awful things to each other (bullying). To point out how one political side was a “bully” while not also acknowledging that the other side was a bully too is unfortunate. Politics has become one side attacking the other... It’s soul crushing. Perhaps that is the reason Timothy hated politicians - not any one in particular... ALL politicians. They all represent bullies to him (and to be honest I absolutely get it). I thought the discussion would stay “above” pointing figures at the victim. The point that it could have been any of a number of people he chose as a target was important.

Margaret Glaser

thank you all

Margaret Glaser

I hope i can be in a live one day

Margaret Glaser

sorry i could not be there I live where it is morning |Hi Gems

Jennifer Priebe

There should be a national law that if your unsecured gun is used in a crime, deadly accident or suicide, the irresponsible owner should be prosecuted. Gun owners need to secure their guns. Many deaths would be prevented.

Jennifer Priebe

My kids are 18, 20 and 22. Let's also add on top of this age groups pressure that they had to live through COVID isolation and these ridiculous lockdown drills several times a year. Their high school was needlessly high pressure. They don't take care of bullying situations, and my son was even suspended when his bully started pushing and hitting him, and he defended himself. The teacher let the bully harass him right before with no help. Even though the bully was well known to kids and parents, the principals acted like the bully was ok,and he had severe emotional problems and a mother that abused him in public. Schools are not welcoming places, and many teachers are not considering what their attitudes are doing to the children. Also, Crooks dad may have also had an attitude towards authority with all those guns.

Debi

We love you both!

Heidi

There was a lot of talk about teachers and schools tonight. It may not seem like it, but there are a lot of good people in education. It is hard to be an educator and care. Please, when you see a teacher or staff that is doing something well, tell them you noticed. It will help keep the right people in education longer.

Danielle G.

I'm in Chico, this fire is crazy!

Jeana Taylor

*Parents, parent

Jeana Taylor

Parents, Parents based on how they are raised. Sometimes as parents we have to remember what it was like when we were kids.

Katrina Krueger

This is such a meaningful and necessary discussion. Thank you Lauren and Dr. John. 💜

Terrie

Good Evening Bonnie I wanted to thank you for your comment about Singapore and the value their culture places on children. I the reminder of our future is in the hands of children. You always share different perspectives that I don’t always see at the time. The bully taking out anger on bully question? Dr. John adds so many layers in going beneath the top surface. Sending well wishes to you 🌸

Kathy

I still can't hear Jeanne

Cassandra Tee

https://findahelpline.com/countries/us/topics/bullying

Petty Mason

The volume is really low on my end

Petty Mason

It’s nice seeing you Terrie

JudyV

Hold on to your kids: why parents need to matter more than peers. Gordon Neufeld and Gabor Mate

Danni Hull

Yes, opinions are opinions. Not everybody agrees! Mrs. Packard would state. Thank you Dr. John and Lauren. I was bullied and I bullied.

Kathy

Purchase some units from ChillWell !!!

Pppmomof3

I think it’s unfortunate that this is going to pointing out what one political side is saying. I have heard bad things from both sides. I think John’s point that it could have been any political candidate is valid.

Davis 🐊

🐊 🙌🏻. I will help!

Debi

Bonnie, as a retired school librarian, I have been listening to that particular bully and the name calling has been shocking to me. I can’t believe that other adults actually put up with that behavior. Especially people who wrap that bullying in religion. It’s truly baffling. Maybe as Dr. John described, they see this bully as “a means to an end”

Pppmomof3

Starting to get political

Skeeter

Biden stated that it was time to put a target on Trump

Pppmomof3

Bonnie getting political

Debi

Bonnie… great question re: bully.

Petty Mason

Wo much of a sense of identity, no notes or manifesto and an announcement by TC that the 13th was going to be his premiere (implying future actions), is there any room for doubting that he knew he would die?

Moo2

Megan's Linkhttp://www.youtube.com/@Third_Verse

Moo2

YOU GUYS ARE DOING GREAT!! THANKS FOR DOING IT and Hi Megan!!

kim Johnson

Women are more often victims of sexual trauma than men and one can guess that they experience all the other traumas that men/boys do in equal proportions. What is the deal with these young men. It's not women usually involved in school shootings, mass shootings, etc....

Lisa Fowler

I’m going to add for context that I don’t consider myself to be a “people pleaser” and I believe I have always been pretty assertive. What I’m talking about is a different thing. It’s about learning to change the way you think.

Lisa Fowler

Megan, I can so relate to your comments about claiming your own life. As a younger woman, I had ulcers and migraines, and a lot of anxiety. The first and only thing that helped me was deciding that I wasn’t going to continue on (what you called) the treadmill, and instead I was going to live by my own map and ideas about what was right and wrong. My husband completely supported this (always has) and in fact was the person who said I should give some serious thought to what I wanted for the next 10 or 20 years, and not factor in whatever anyone else wanted from me. It’s surprisingly hard to explain, but I think the people who are here will understand.

Davis 🐊

🐊 I think Mid-life is going to be the best. I’m in it.

Davis 🐊

🐊 💜 to Megan. Thank you Dr John & Lauren for tackling such a controversial & complex tragedy.

Hope4All

Hello

Debi

Hello Megan!

Marci Schwartz

Hi Megan 🩷

Kathy

But they did not suspect TC until after it was on the news - by that time it was all over

Pppmomof3

Dr John’s final comments on the video were absolutely profound. Thank you.

Pppmomof3

I appreciate the comparison to Kohberger… seems like a lot of overlap

Pppmomof3

Thank you so much for this discussion. We all need to receive this information. I didn’t hear any politics.

Laura Biddle

Love Connie’s thoughts

Davis 🐊

🐊 Great content. Walter & I are listening.

kim Johnson

QQQ What is the change in our society that has led to all these dispossessed young men choosing to try to resolve their pain through school/mass shootings and assassination attempts? Is it that women no longer feel confined to prior stereotypes for women?

Debi

I’m so glad that I was driving and listening but couldn’t read the comments ❤️

Sally15Sally15

I heard empathy and kindness

Sally15Sally15

I missed any political chat when I took off my glasses!

Suzette Haydock

My parents always said… If you want to keep your friends and family, never talk politics, money or religion. Different world now.

Petty Mason

The echo chamber

Polly Olson

Have his parents spoken at all?

Cheraz

It's a discussion about politics, but you've cultivated an audience that can discuss things without the rancor.

Ms. TJ

How does the link work? I hit the link, and nothing happens.

Petty Mason

Hello all 👋🏻

Sally15Sally15

No politics

Monica Valencia

Hey Lauren and Dr John

Rebecca Ruffin

Not sure how to get connected to stream yard?

Lexibeth

How do we find your link?

Polly Olson

Hi - great insight tonight on the shooter!

Ana Franco

@Dr. John, any recommendation as to assist teenagers with finding their Joie de Vivre when they are going through their angst>

Lexibeth

Hi!

Jeana Taylor

Hi

Tova

Costco clothes and sandals for the win!

Kay Louise

Hello Everyone!

Marci Schwartz

If I just want to watch, do I have to click on the stream yard link ? Or just stay here ?

Lauren and John Matthias

Join us on our Live to ask questions: https://streamyard.com/jx6z8cgaet

Sally15Sally15

Is it possible to listen and not have streamyard💕

Delia W.

I’m interested in the small social media footprint Crooks had.

Denise Miller

Hello 👋🏻

Lauren and John Matthias

hey everyone! We are live, just hit the link above in the image

Jamie Ferreira

Hi everyone

A H

Hey there - it's late here in MI

Ms. TJ

Howdy, fellow Gems😊

Maria David MAD

Am I in the right place? Sorry I don’t think I’ve done a Patreon chat before

Monica Valencia

Hey peeps

Marci Schwartz

Hello Gems 💎

Sue

Hi everyone!

kim Johnson

Hello Gems. So glad to be able to join you

Nancy Propheter

Hello!

Bonnie Schoeneman-Dilley

Hello 👋

Heidi

The Violence Project book also identified “off ramps” people can help potential mass shooters take so they don’t become mass shooters.

Heidi

Frightening thought: engines and my mom may have prevented my dad from going down this road.

Gleanne Marie

Politics wasn't the motive. I think that is very clear, and I so appreciated hearing Dr John's educated, professional opinion on this topic.

ALG

This is a fascinating episode, Lauren and John. If you are not already familiar, and if you are interested, I recommend as a supplement to your research you listen to the albums for an old Sondheim musical called Assassins. You will find it is surprisingly in-line with what you found. Thanks again for your work here

Erin Aboudara

Just joined Patreon, you’re my first creator I have followed!

Domsmom725

Watching Hidden Hour now, and going to try to catch this Q&A. I always miss your cool members only/Patreon stuff.. its pretty awesome how many opportunities you provide for your members/patrons to connect with you guys,… You really make it worth our money:) So thank you!! Will try my best to be here 💖

Carrie Ann

Never mind. I get it now.

Carrie Ann

I am confused. When do we watch the prerecorded order one?

Terrie

Hello Tammy Lynn Sending you good will and I’m so glad you are a gem 💎. 🌸

Terrie

Good Afternoon I appreciate your comment. You have spoken my exact sentiments. So well thought out and written. I never thought I’d change my opinion of Alec Baldwin until analysis and court coverage. It really gave a different perspective which I appreciated. Tonight will be very interesting and helpful to me. See you then. 🌿

WomanOfSteel

Me also. I’m so tired of all this dissent and unhappiness. I’ve never seen an America like this one. I’m glad my parents aren’t here anymore to see all this. They would be so upset and heartbroken.

Bonnie Schoeneman-Dilley

Looking forward to joining you to discuss/learn and more!

Pppmomof3

I am interested in the similarities between Crooks and Kohberger - both from rural(ish) Pennsylvania, Both had family members in mental health field, both described as loners/socially awkward., intelligent, but arguably underachieving? Thoughts about how to help young boys who are tending in this direction so they won’t get to this point.

Pppmomof3

Wow… (for the person who doesn’t want to participate for obviously political reasons) I don’t see this as a political issue at all. From what I can gather this was a troubled young man and the target of the shooting was not particularly consequential in terms of his pathology. As a mother of both boys and girls, it seems to me like we could do more for the mental health of our young men. I am so interested in Dr John’s thoughts on what drives a person to do this and what warning signs we should look for in addition to how best intervene. Isn’t that why we all are drawn to these incredible discussions? I, for one, didn’t think I’d be interested in Alec Baldwin, but darn was I proven wrong!

Linda

It isn't about whether or not the ear is fine. It is the fact that as Americans we are above this. You have 2 people who are running for office and each one thinks that they can do what is right for the country. In this attempt, we had injuries, and an innocent man lost his life. There is no excuse for this. Both candidates strongly agreed that this was wrong. You may not like Trump and you may not like Biden/Harris. Either way the candidates do not deserve to dodge bullets. This kid was just into his 20's he has been bombarded by hate and lies for a good portion of his teen years. It does not give him the right to take a life. As I said we are better than this. The mainstream media is not helpful. I have never seen so much hate for people. We used to be kinder, we used to be proud. I want that country back

Lauren and John Matthias

It will not

Lauren and John Matthias

Not now. tonight at 8 pm pacific right here

Kimm Baker

I will be there. I sure hope it doesn't get too political!😂 I am pretty sure we all have different views on this event.

Toni ONeill St James

Is this going now? I can never seem to work out these Patreon things 😩

Tammy Lynn

Unfortunately, I end up missing the lives and after hour Patreons due to the time difference; however, I'm looking forward to seeing both in the morning!

WomanOfSteel

Thank you. I would love to hear what Lauren and Dr. John have to say about this disgusting crime and the monster who attempted to assassinate President Trump. Most of America wants to vote for President Trump in November. This was an attempt to remove OUR CHOICE FOR POTUS. This was an effort at interfering with our election. Pure and simple. There is no way this 20 year old dupe planned to carry out this evil plan either. He was a child. Thank you HIDDEN TRUE CRIME for your analysis of this person, Thomas Crooks.

Lauren and John Matthias

This is Pacific time, which is our time. Public Hidden Hour starts at 6:30 on YouTube and I'm just waiting to be able to share the link, since YT is still processing the video ... will edit and add hidden hour link as soon as it's ready