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BONUS CONTENT - an interview with Mary Tracy
🕑 Added 2020-11-05 01:53:54 +0000 UTCHello to our Patreon members!
Your support means so much to us, and we wanted to share with you an hour-long unedited interview with a close friend of Alex Cox. We have other bonus content in the works as well. Your donations keep us going and we want to say thank you by sharing insider content we won't share with our other listeners, and content we'll give you early access to.
If you have any ideas for bonus content, let us know. Currently, our Patreon members are a small group, and we're always happy to hear from you. John and I recently watched the Netflix documentary on Chris Watts "American Murder" and thought that John sharing his final thoughts on that documentary might also be an episode our Patreon members might like. Thoughts?
Mary Tracy was a close friend of Alex Cox, Lori Vallow Daybell's brother. They did stand-up comedy together, and she even visited Alex in prison after he assaulted Joe Ryan. She considered him the younger brother she never had. At their closest they spoke two to three times a day. Mary met Alex's parents and siblings, and even shares the time she met Lori, as well as Tylee. Mary agreed to an interview so she could share about the Alex she knew, and give 'Hidden: A True Crime Podcast' information that can help us assess the hidden motives behind this tragic crime. Mary also speculates and shares who she thinks could have killed JJ and Tylee. While John and I plan to use some of this interview for our podcasts, we wanted our Patreon members to be able to view the raw hour-long interview. We'd love any thoughts or comments viewers might have. A request to please be respectful to Mary.
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With your generosity, Let's see how far we can go together to reinvent the true crime genre. THANK YOU ABOUT Hidden: A True Crime Podcast explores the hidden motives behind unimaginable crimes, while examining our deepest fears along the way. Join us on a journey into the darkest recesses of the human mind and the unconscious motivations that drive human behaviors, both good and bad, in order to understand the world and ourselves. Pull up a chair at our dinner table as a forensic psychologist and a journalist, who are husband and wife, delve into the psychological facets of unthinkable crimes. What are you hiding? What are you hiding from? What remains hidden?
DR. JOHN MATTHIAS Dr. John Matthias has a simple mission – to facilitate self-discovery to make a difference in the world. He’s a Federal Expert Witness and Adjunct Professor at UNLV. He graduated with honors in philosophy from Princeton University, and won the prestigious McCosh Thesis prize while there. He received his doctorate from the University of Southern California. He was an All-Chicago and All-State football player in high school and he played college football at Princeton. He was also high school valedictorian at a large public high school in Chicago where he was chosen for a valedictory study that continues to this day. Dr. Matthias has acquired an enormous depth and breath of psychological knowledge over his twenty year career as a psychologist, including forensic, clinical, family and organizational psychology. In the forensic context he has assessed hundreds of high risk felons for community placement, developing expertise in personality assessments and hidden behavioral motivations. In the clinical realm he has worked with numerous victims of abuse and trauma, including with survivors of the recent Las Vegas shooting massacre and 9/11. As a family therapist Dr. Matthias received his Master’s degree in Marriage, Family and Child counseling and he has worked with hundreds of families, couples and children over the years. He supervises UNLV doctoral students on play therapy and family systems. As an organizational consultant he has worked with many community leaders assisting them to achieve insight and excellence in their domains. He has also worked with several organizations, including the Andre Agassi Foundation, seeking transformation by applying a unique research model he developed drawing parallels between the qualities of exceptional teams and exceptional families. Dr. Matthias has developed a keen understanding of human beings at their highest and lowest points across the entire spectrum of human psychological development and functioning, which has led to greater wisdom about the major ingredients necessary for mastery and the development of resiliency and psychological well-being.
LAUREN MATTHIAS Lauren has worked as an anchor and reporter for ABC, NBC, and FOX. Most recently she reported for Salt Lake City’s ABC affiliate News4Utah. She recently left the reporting world to be home more with their son. She is the podcast producer and editor. She is also the author of the book: Escaping Emotional abuse and works as a relationship coach. http://laurenmatthias.tilda.ws/
Comments
Lisa Spears
I'd guess abandoning his pregnant girlfriend or having sex while married to a 15 year old girl could be a good reason I'm not LDS but generally people don't think highly of those type people.
Holistic Holly
Actually, now that I have read about his extreme sexual sadism ( $250,000 on prostitutes) I am guessing THAT is the reason behind his excommunication?
Holistic Holly
I loved this episode! Alex had at least one truly good person in his life. Interesting to hear her story. I am gonna go out on a limb and state that I don't believe the excommunication was about premarital relations... In fact, from what I am finding, it's actually uncommon to be excommunicated by the LDS church. Would be interesting to find out what that was, exactly..
Debi Fox
It truly confirms that I believe we have two distinct lives.. The life we “learn” with, and the life we “live” with after that.
Sweet Pea
In January 2020, Reverend Donna Seraphina uploaded a video on Youtube. She described in detail what happened to each child. She described the dismemberment and burning of Tylee. She described the color of the bag placed on JJ’s head and the color of the bag encasing the body. She mentioned the duct tape. Based Close to 6 months later the children were found and Donna’s information was validated. Therefore, I believe what Donna saw in her vision. Lori and Alex killed Tylee . Lori and Chad killed JJ. And Chad choreographed the murders including how Tyler’s missing body parts. The case has just captured me. It is just beyond human comprehension. Prayers for the families of Tylee, JJ and Tammy.
MarionRosanna Anna
Mary’s guess that Alex didn’t do the JJ/Tylee killings is very interesting, although I have to remember people saw Lori as super-Mom so perhaps Alex just preferred the innocent, non-judgemental company of children whilst looking like he loved playing with them. Impatient Lori was on an urgent mission (to be with Chad and become exalted) that Alex would not feel, and I think he attempted and succeeded in disposing of men, but not by administering drugs - that seems Lori’s MO. Chris Watts - yes, the book I read did not delve deeply enough; but the delicate fact of Shan’ann being intensively on social media, superspending, herself thinking about divorce, and a devoted mom who is out attending mlm “conferences”. If her personality and motivations are not examined, I really feel we get no where with CW, and that leaves us forever without answers.
Elizabeth Campbell
It is always interesting to know about people from different perspectives. I think Mary is voicing what many of us can relate to. We see and understand others from our own point of reference and assume our values are the same. I think many of us can think of a time when we didn't pay enough attention to what we were hearing. I can totally relate to Mary and appreciate that she is prepared to talk about her friendship with Alex
Leti
Thanks for making this available. Super insightful to hear about Alex, and for sure we need to be kind as Mary's perspective is based on her own unique experience and honesty is important. It would be interesting to hear Dr John's opinions about Chris Watts - thats another bizarre and intriguing case, from a psychological standpoint.
