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🕑 Added 2024-04-04 16:27:51 +0000 UTCSo here's the deal. I'm working on the next Dragon Ball Dissection right now. Covering Dragon Ball GT has been more stressful for me than original Dragon Ball simply because I don't have the ridiculously encyclopedic knowledge of it to recall almost every moment in order. I keep a 100+ document of detailed summaries I have been making to use as a reference. But even then I always freak out I've gotten something wrong. Then I'll have people in the comments correct me on things, and I'll panic, thinking I truly did get it wrong, only to later find out it's a dub change. See, if I know less about GT, I know far, far less about dubbed GT, as I've never seen it. I have no idea what FUNimation did with this series.
There's the macro context. The micro context is I'm still ranting about things in The Super #17 Arc that don't make any sense. There is still so much more. And while I'm fairly confident I have checked and double checked everything I need to, it's still very important to me to get this right. So let's call this a symbiotic relationship! I'm hoping you might enjoy a sneak preview of what I'm writing, so you benefit. But if you find something you don't think is right, I'd love to hear it before I record it and edit it and share it with the world. In addition to that, I'd love to know what you think about me sharing scripts before a video comes out. Should it be a formal rewards tier? I've always hesitated on the sharing scripts idea. It's partly because I'm insecure about my writing until I have hammered it into its final product. But I also fear that, for you, reading it will spoil the fun of seeing the finished product. But I guess you can just choose not to read these posts if you feel that way. So let me know! Anyway, DBD script rant below:
So let's recap. We're ripping off The Anoyoichi Budoukai Arc. We're ripping off Dragon Ball Z movie 12. And now we're ripping off Sugoroku Space from the end of the last story arc. There's an old lady, and she tortures Goku in Hell scenarios. And I guess it's kinda cute. I like getting to see more of Hell, diving into mythology in an irreverent Dragon Ball way. But we already did the weird dimension thing. We just did it. We just. Did. It. Anyway, there's an ice machine. It's special Hell ice, and it freezes Goku. And Freeza and Cell think they've won. But Goku breaks out of the special Hell ice because the lady thought that Goku was dead, and special Hell ice is only for dead people. You see, the ice is getting too hot because living people have a higher body temperature than dead people. And, I mean, I kinda get that logic, but... you know... regular ice can freeze living people. So, um, why is the special Hell ice worse than regular ice? So anyway, Goku freezes Freeza and Cell with the special Hell ice. Freeza, Cell, freezes, Hell. It's like poetry. It rhymes. Well, it rhymes in English. Then Goku tips them over and shatters them into tiny pieces. But then later we see them in a cage, and they're fine, I guess. Okay...
So since we're on the subject, what the... hell... is with these Hell people? I could have sworn The Boo Arc established that, if you die when you're dead, you just cease to exist. But Freeza and Cell brag that they're immortal because they're already dead. But I guess they're not immortal because Goku can shatter them and defeat them. But I guess they still kinda are because they're fine. Well, I guess technically they say they're immortal in Hell, so maybe if they're not in Hell, they wouldn't be immortal? Is that why all the other bad guys get killed? But Freeza and Cell seem like they were just as killed. They all just end up back in Hell anyway, so there doesn't really seem to be any difference. #17 says the bad guys have come back to life, so maybe he does mean that literally rather than it being a figurative reference to their escape from Hell. Does that mean that Freeza and Cell literally came back to life too? But if they came back to life, like regular people, then why are they immortal? Goku's in Hell, and he's alive, but he's not immortal. And we know Freeza and Cell can't be alive because the special Hell ice works on them when it doesn't work on Goku, who is very much alive. So why would all the other bad guys come back to life, but Freeza and Cell don't? Is the act of leaving Hell all it takes to be alive? A dead Goku returned to Earth, and that didn't make him alive.
None of the bad guys who escaped Hell have halos, even though we've seen people in Hell have halos before. Maybe that's indicative of them actually being alive now. But Dr. Gero and Dr. Mu didn't have halos either, even before this plan started, and they were very much dead. Later in this arc, Piccolo is banished from Heaven to Hell, and when that happens, he loses his halo. So maybe only people in Heaven have halos? Even though that's not consistent with how it's worked in the past? So that means the bad guys on Earth didn't come back to life? But then when they're defeated, Blue and Black do have halos. I guess that's because they haven't been rejudged to go back to Hell yet, but they haven't been cleared for Heaven either. So dead people have halos, regardless of whether or not they've been cleared for Heaven, just as long as they're not in Hell?
Okay, let's come at this from a different angle. Remember how #16 never comes back to life? Presumably it's because he's a robot, so he doesn't have a soul. Dr. Gero died as a brain in a robot body, but he's a guy. Given that Mu is a Machine Mutant, I'm willing to believe he's a mutated guy. I can certainly accept everybody having their same clothes. And I can accept that they exist in Hell as they died. Well, I mean, actually, Freeza died as a cyborg too, and we've always kinda ignored that. I guess we're accepting they exist in Hell as their most marketable, recognizable forms. Fine. But, um, #19 is a robot. And he's been in Hell. And he comes back here. So does Sergeant Metallic. Did he even die? I mean, his batteries died, but those can be replaced. Well, this is the animated continuity where Muscle Tower was destroyed at the end, so maybe he did die. But he's still a robot. And I wish I could say that's the weirdest non-living aspect of this whole thing. But Blue has a plane. He flies a plane out of Hell. Did the plane die? Does the plane have a soul? Was the plane evil? Blue didn't die with a plane. And don't tell me it's a plane they built in Hell. Yellow has his plane that's clearly the same plane he was flying when he was killed. Black has his robot suit from when he died. Why does the robot suit go to Hell? I don't know if I can handle much more of this. But there's one more thing, and I'm just gonna try to push through it.
I made a joke about it last year, but I didn't stop to think I'd be dealing with so much at once here. So, um, Coola, the movie villain, I guess, exists in this continuity. I think? I mean, we see him. We see a still photo of him on the news, so he exists. But that's the only time we see him. He doesn't have a vignette or appearance beyond that. We never see him get defeated. He's never mentioned. And it's not like they didn't already have Coola's voice actor hanging around if they wanted to incorporate him into the story. So maybe it's just for the sake of my own sanity, but I do find it a bit easier to believe that maybe this was just someone not really thinking things through rather than an explicit attempt to put Dragon Ball Z movie 5 into the series continuity. I mean, it's comparatively easy to try to put it in. It still doesn't really work, but it's easier. This could have been worse. It could have been, like, Tullece or something. Honestly, I would have just quit watching this series entirely if we bottomed out at Plan to Eradicate the Saiyans video game logic. Come to think of it, GT already repurposed that game for The Baby Arc. They are kinda doing that here. I just can't handle much more. I'm honestly starting to feel dizzy writing this script. I'm not kidding. I'm being totally serious here. I am legitimately getting dizzy trying to wrap my head around every single thing about these few episodes that doesn't make sense. I even split it up into two videos, and it's still too much for my little psyche. I'm fragile. I'm delicate. You can't put me through all of this. And here's me coming back to writing this the next day. I actually had to go back to the parts you just listened to and add more aspects that I'd forgotten to put in the first time.
Comments
jac priestley
I lost it at "did the plane die" 🤣
Victor Perez
Okay so as per usual and as you mentioned before. GT sticks with the classic Toei idea from I believe the Saiyan arc filler where Kaio mentioned that you can’t die if you’re already dead, instead of the Boo arc idea of dying twice erases you from existence. It’s the same with villains keeping their bodies despite the anime keeping the dialogue intact about that not being possible from the manga. As for them being alive, I don’t see it that way, I see that as more figurative. GT definitely changes who gets Halo’s though. Personally never cared about it but it is what it is. As for 16, I just want to remind you that that was never explicitly stated and it’s actually overtly contradicted since Android 8 came back to life despite being fully machine in the Boo arc. If some guide says otherwise, well the guide is in clear contradiction to the actual manga. Edit: I would like to point out a very interesting work-around I and a few others have thought of that Toriyama almost certainly didn’t just to be thorough and because I’m a nerd. You know how when the Namekian Dragon Balls restored the Earth, all the buildings and architecture were automatically brought back as it was? Well it’s actually possible that the wish to restore the Earth brought back Android 8 since he’s a machine, instead of the wish to bring everyone back to life. So maybe that’s why 16 didn’t come back to life. This kinda defeats what I was saying above but I don’t even think this is how it’s supposed to be interpreted but for the sake of looking at it from every possible angle, I just wanted to present it for completeness sake. Personally, I don’t think you need to change anything in regard to Coola. That part is fine, I disagree that Movie 5 doesn’t really fit though. Movie 1 is the bigger fish to fry but luckily GT doesn’t have to deal with Garlic Jr. I think it fits fine but I get why you disagree.
Eric M Brown
The Dragon Balls also don't bring someone back if it's against their will right? So maybe 16 didn't want to come back?
Patrick
That raises a question: DID the manga ever explicitly state that 16 never came back to life?
Stefan Placanica
This needs one of those charts people have on walls with red threads connecting pictures of everything and it’s incredibly tangled and complicated 😅 I never questioned the ‘dead people in Hell ice vs. living Goku in Hell ice that’s worse than normal ice’, good call!! The whole arc is very messy… Thank you for sacrificing your sanity for us!!
