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DITW 14-6: Odyssey 1

🕑 Added 2024-04-11 23:16:05 +0000 UTC

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JL23

Kimmy basically explained the relationship to Hyun in a way that heavily implied the reason she slept with Devlin was because Josh wanted her to do that. Hyun doesn’t have an accurate timeline and order of events in how Kimmy/Josh/Devlin became entangled.

Andrew Mellein

I forgot about Josh’s upcoming trip to Italy.

Andrew Mellein

What did Hyun mean two chapters ago when she said “He wanted you be with someone else”? Is she talking about Josh wanting her to be with Devlin? Because the only time Josh wanted her to be with Devlin was the Hazelton and that was mainly to get answers from her.

Bill F Protagoras

The only reason Kimmy has to consider Josh a saint is that she along with her twisted narcistic accomplice took his generous offer of a Dolcinist purgation of sin and ruination of the oppression of the modern magnates and turned it into a systematic torture and martyrdom of a man they attempt to turn into a sexual dupe and for all we know catspaw for embezzlement of funds. "Her pathetic, wormy husband." "It was Josh. It was her husband. He was now an official participant. He’d been enfolded; his kiss between her thighs was like his signature on a contract." "Devlin had done the impossible. It was Devlin who’d brought Josh’s proverbial pen to the dotted line." Didn't any of that seem a strange use of language to anyone else? "Under Devlin’s thumb." "Kimmy never stuck up for him, never put an end to this. Just let it all happen. A boot forever stomping on his face, and she just watched." “We’re building something, Kimmy. We talked about this." Was Devlin talking about kink? Was kink what Kimmy meant when she accused Devlin of 'conspiring' with Josh (worst of all offenses) behind her back? I don't know but the phrasing has always sounded odd to me... A big spat about Devlin getting his spiteful 'menage'!

Andrew Mellein

Kat, never thought of them not mentioning Kimmy. I wonder if everyone knows about Kimmy but are not bringing it up to Josh? Karina defiantly knows as she saw Kimmy and Devlin doing at Tiffany's! I think it's possible Kimmy initiated it with Devlin and Karina saw. Remember Kimmy lied to Karina and said she told Josh everything. I wonder if Karina spills what she saw to Josh? I like how this party is a dichotomy with in the earlier books with Josh's party and Kimmy being the one to throw that. But then she snook off with Devlin!

Kat

It was good to see Josh get away, and spend time with people who actually like him and treat him with respect. I loved the dialogue between Meyer and Josh. I also loved that this party was initiated by Quinn, and that she invited all these people who also know Kimmy. I can see Kimmy losing it when she finds out that Josh went away with Meyer to a party with some of “their friends”, and Kimmy wasn’t even mentioned. So far no one has even asked where she is. For most of this book we’ve gotten the opinion of Josh through the eyes of Kimmy and Devlin. Both of them love to say how weak Josh is, and how he’s deficient as a man, etc. Here in this chapter we see that people like Josh. They like to tease him, they care about his happiness, and they want good things for him. This might make Kimmy even more desperate when she finds out. It’s like Josh can have a life without her. There are other people that care about him and love him. He doesn’t really need her, especially if the baby isn’t his. Josh, doesn’t believe any of this, but maybe over time he might. As for Hyun and Kimmy together yet again…UGH. I’m really growing a huge dislike for Hyun. She needs to butt out of this situation, at least for the good of her own daughter. This is so reckless, and has no way of ending well. And Josh doesn’t even know about Hyun yet.

Kat

I hope she ends up with a broken heart. Being in this situation with “Aunt Kimmy” is extremely inappropriate, especially when her daughter is in the apartment asleep. She’s being even more reckless than Kimmy, and that’s saying a lot. Hyun seems sweet and naive, but maybe some of that is just an act. She’s really working hard here to get Kimmy to trust her over Josh. It’s one thing for Devlin to screw Kimmy. He loves tormenting Josh, and owes him nothing, but Hyun is a real bitch. She has no excuse for trying to further this thing between them. Sorry…not sorry.

Andrew Mellein

Bring back Charlie!

Pete

Love the suggestion of a BSITW series! Kimmy upgrades from Jr. to Sr. Love it! Maybe Devlin's in prison, or maybe he works for Kimmy. Perhaps she even keeps Jr. in her sexual rotation. Men often fantasize about hooking up with a mother and daughter, so perhaps Kimmy turns that on its head, and has a small "harem" of Jr. and Sr. Two (very big) heads are better than one, after all.

Andrew Mellein

Josh is a different cuckold for me. Usually they either accept their lot with their wives at this point in the story. But Josh seems like KT’s standout where he is not ok with any of this. I feel sorry for him because his bully spooched his wife. I think he would be happier with someone else just by reading these chapter and seeing how depressed he is!

Pete

Two thoughts: 1. This is from Josh's perspective, and from how it's worded I get the impression Josh himself really loves big breasts. It's perhaps odd then, that he's with Kimmy. 2. I have recently been wondering to what extent the flaws in a male protagonist enhance my own enjoyment of a cuckold story. I think for me, the more flawed the male lead, the easier it is for me to feel that "he deserved it," that justice is being served, when his cuckold desserts are 'delivered.' For example, in any tale where the leading man has asked his girl to trade her body to bail him out of debt, I don't feel bad for his cuckold angst at all. The same is true for less common tales where the male lead has deceived his girl, kept secrets from her, or manipulated, stolen from, or harmed her or others. Again, in those cases, the cuckoldry feels like justice being served, and it's a downhill ride for me. But it's a muddied experience if the male lead is a saint, who deserves better, and never wanted this. And I think that's how some readers may perceive Josh. So, if this is to continue to be a cuckold tale, perhaps more tarnishing of Josh would be beneficial. It would be welcome, from my perspective. Josh hasn't ennobled himself in any way yet, for me to wish otherwise. He's not bad, but he also hasn't done anything that's opened my heart to him. (Like Jon Snow giving Needle to Arya; or Ned Stark setting up her "fencing" lessons, accepting her for who she is, rather than insisting she be the type of daughter he may have wanted her to be.)

RCH

I'm poking my tongue in my cheek with "DITW book 18". Maybe there will be Part Two BSITW "Big Stone in the Waters" Someone has to scratch that deep itch Kimmy has. Of coarse I would be neglecting my fiduciary duty to Jonny by pushing for more DITW. But it's possible that it maybe too late for Jonny. :( ;).

Bill F Protagoras

Maybe...

Bill F Protagoras

She might not want or need to win Kimmy AWAY from Josh... it is possible to win something without depriving other people of it... especially something as complex as an emotion or a passion. If you consider something as common as the close relationships between children/parents, parents/children and friends what I am suggesting seems glaringly obvious. Hyun seems to me experienced and kind enough to realize that we are lucky to get a share of anything good at all...

Pete

I think that's possible. Or maybe she shows Hyun the full video she made. I'm also wondering how much she'll share with Hyun. Will she reveal her kinky side? Her love for hung men, and her sadistic appetite? Hyun seems eager to prove that she's not Josh, perhaps that she can love Kimmy better than Josh, and I'm sure Kimmy's perceived that. So, would Kimmy test that? I wonder if she'll reveal it all to Hyun, and see whether Hyun can do what Josh evidently can't or won't; love every part of her: Both the "darkness" and the light.

Bill F Protagoras

Also interesting JL... but it might be a mistake to presume that when Kimmy says “What if it’s really bad? What if what I’ve done is really bad?” that she is referring ONLY to events that have caught our interest. KT has a protean mind that keeps us on our toes. And bad like good is one of those words as slippery or clinging as the old man of the sea her self... That's just a guess...

Bill F Protagoras

An amusing view of a many worlds future with Daddy Stone in it... and some convincing speculation...

RCH

All I aware of is Devlin's talk of breaking away on his own. He has told Kimmy he needs her to do it. Have I managed to miss something? That knowledge is vital though. She works for Stone brokerage. She would have a fiduciary duty to the company that an employee(Devlin) is planing on breaking away and stealing business. So that's a gotcha! That's not above board.

JL23

The way she reacted to even them wanting to meet shows at the very least she knew something was happening, and that her hands are somewhat dirty due to something. She is immediately fearful they want to meet, and she doesn’t react with anything resembling shock when they mention the money and her potentially stealing it. I think it’s certainly open to interpretation what she did exactly, but I think her own internal monologue makes it clear she did something that would not be considered above board.

RCH

My take on the Sr. Stone meeting and where that's going... Kimmy didn't get escorted out of the building. I would see this in context with the meeting in the limo that Sr. first was trying to crack her to see if she was involved in the embezzlement. There has not been one indicator that Kimmy has been anything but a loyal employee to Stone. Yes, she is fucking her boss/his son. $35k seems like a small amount of money, so Sr. is on top of things so he has probably already had Devlin and Kimmy under surveillance. He'll spend $200k to catch the person doing him wrong. Once SR. is convinced she is not stealing he will enlist her in getting to Devlin. Remember Devlin already expressed his desire to Kimmy to get started on his own. I don't recall at any point Kimmy entertaining Devlin as a serious romantic partner. He is just sex meat, a job and possibly baby daddy. Kimmy still wants Josh but that train maybe leaving the station. Sr. as a sex partner... Maybe in DITW book 18 Sr. and Kimmy hookup on a regular basis. He has set Kimmy and his grandson up in Devlin's apartment. She visits Devlin from time to time at the Collins Bay Institution near Kingston. Brings him fashionable panties to wear for his roommate. :)

Chris K

Maybe he's just trying to think of the furthest thing from Kimmy. Get his mind off of her?

JL23

I think it was always heavily implied that Hyun had a thing for Kimmy, but ultimately she seemed to feel like it was one of those unattainable, unrequited type things that would come to nothing. Now that Kimmy has shown some level of reciprocation of feeling, Hyun is trying to take advantage a bit. I agree, she does have a skewed version of the Josh/Kimmy/Devlin triangle, but I do feel she is acting in ways to try and ultimately “win” Kimmy from Josh. I don’t blame her for trying; I feel more sorry for her because it’s far more likely she ends up with a broken heart than with Kimmy. But also, maybe that’s the far more preferable outcome for her anyway.

Bill F Protagoras

"Quinn wore a ball cap, a towel around her waist, a bikini top in black. She had a really great set of knockers. No wonder Meyer was amped about a potential relationship." Very cunning piece of male gaze objectification by KT... Is this further undermining Josh as a sympathetic character (for me), or is Steve just a subscriber to Big Jugs... which must have existed! I suppose Meyer could have suddenly thought, wow them there certainly inspire mighty respect in me for a prosperous future with Quinn... but I suspect not, I don't see him as that shallow.

Andrew Mellein

Could it be possible Kimmy tells Hyun what she did to Devlin when she made him wear panties? Or maybe who she thinks the father of her baby is?

Bill F Protagoras

I think Josh has, like Kimmy originally, a family attachment to Hyun especially as she is the mother of Sophie (a dream of parenthood for the previously childless couple) and is a foil to his cheating, apparently unstable untrustworthy Asian wife... Before Kimmy played fast and loose with a revised characterization of Josh, Hyun seemed very supportive of Josh as a husband. Now she seems to be less sure as Kimmy, to protect her own reputation, made it seem highly fucking ironically like Josh WANTED HER to fuck the distinguished Devlin Stone... This is not calculating on Hyun's part, but a rash miscalculation on Kimmy's. I love Hyun, in part because she seems instinctively to have ascribed Kimmy's boss with the role of slime ball marriage wrecker... also she finds Devlin's dick, even its replica, repulsive.

JL23

Yeah, I think it’s fair to wonder if they are both holding onto a caricature of the other that doesn’t (or no longer) exist. I’ve felt for a while they probably need time apart to figure out their own feelings, and maybe we’re getting that here. I don’t think Josh is going to do anything with Karina at the cottage, and Kimmy/Hyun? Well, I’d hope they’d have enough sense not to do anything with Sophie in the house (though the cat’s out of that barn anyway). But time apart and experiencing a life without the other is a route they both should go. Given whatever sticky (non-sexual) legal situation Kimmy got herself into, I have a feeling their time apart is short lived. Josh said a few chapters ago that he’d fight “to the end” for Kimmy. She may have given him a different type of opportunity to do that in the upcoming chapters.

Karl

Great point about the jab, Chris. I feel that Kimmy has a need to protect Josh from Devlin because he is the enemy or became her enemy when D went behind her back. Hyun on the other hand is not an enemy or threat to her, so yea, her relationship with Josh seems to be a bit weird and inconsistent.

Karl

JL, I’ve been pondering the same for some time, what it would look like when J&K took some time apart and distance between themselves, would their ”love” for each other last or would they realize they have grown apart and changed too much to stay together. I feel they both love an ides of each other at this point.

Bill F Protagoras

I'm counting on it, Andrew, though Karina who seems a decent sort may suffer from conflicting loyalties...

Bill F Protagoras

I hope so... but apart from Josh's business in Italy... Kimmy's pecadillos might have her travelling, as well as cause her hassles of a more pressing nature.

Donkatsu

Two of Chekhov’s bulletrixes have reappeared., Karina and Quinn/PI. Things could become really fun.

Andrew Mellein

I wonder if Karina is going to tell Josh what she saw at Tiffany's! Remember Kimmy lied to Karina and said she told Josh what happened at Tiffany's.

Bill F Protagoras

“You barely tell me anything, so what magic secrets do you think I’m telling her? I don’t know shit, so I’m not telling her shit. You’re sleeping on my couch, and she knows what’s up. She was there last time. Appreciate it that people like you, and stop with the prima dona shit." Nice to have it spelled out, but not entirely accurate as we have reason to believe Karina possesses information about breakfast at Tiffany's that a certain benighted cuckold still does not... and neither do we...

Andrew Mellein

I noticed this the first part of Odyssey. So maybe we will see more of Josh and Karina as well as Kimmy and Hyun?

Bill F Protagoras

Odyssey... usually it would be easy to identify the returning surviving warrior, spouse, artificer, leader and faithful, beleaguered wife plagued with suitors... but here it's Hobson's choice... gender fluidity is an unelusively literary riddle... Will anybody manage the long journey full of incident to whatever concept of home survives?

Bill F Protagoras

“I’m not . . . Josh. You don’t have to hide anything from me. I want to know it, no matter what it is.” Hyun could be criticising Josh, or just as easily could be pointing out that Kimmy doesn't have to hide anything bad she's done with Devlin or at work from her. Also she doesn't seem like a fool to me... she's offering friendship and confidentiality the understanding of a woman, just as Meyer is offering the unintrusive comfort of family and taciturn male bonding.

Andrew Mellein

This is a great chapter KT! I am glad to see Steve and Karina back! I predicted Meyer would try set Josh with a date in the next chapter or take his mind off Kimmy. And I was partially right. I think Josh has a real connection with Karina. If they split up permanently (Josh finds out about Hyun and the baby is not his) I could see Josh hooking up with her. I wonder what Kimmy is going to say to Hyun? Probably the money but could there be other darker stuff we are not privy to? Great chapter!

JL23

I would also say it’s good to see Josh out in the wild, so to speak, in this chapter. For pretty much the entire story, we’ve only seen him thinking about, dealing with and interacting with Kimmy, Devlin, or Kimmy and Devlin. We’ve come so accustomed to their perception of him that I think it’s largely become our perception of him. Here, we get to see what others think of Josh. And for the most part, he seems to be a normal guy who interacts fine with others, and who most people really seem to like. Far from the dweeby nothing Devlin thinks he is, and far from the weak-minded, meek follower Kimmy kind of perceives him as. I think that’s important for us to see, and important for Josh to know. He doesn’t have to define himself by how Devlin, or Kimmy, perceives him.

Chris K

I'm surprised she let that little jab about Josh slide. She wants to protect him from everyone and everything right? Is she over that, or just taking mental notes for later?

JL23

Well, there’s the long lost Karina. It’s been a while since I’ve read the early books. I’ve always been under the assumption she was more Kimmy’s friend than Josh…but it’s not a coincidence she’s here now, and I think it’s clear she wants to be Josh’s…. “friend.” I don’t expect to see anything happen here. But this chapter does have me envisioning a future where Josh is with Karina and Kimmy is with Hyun. Is that likely? Probably not. But maybe they’d both be better off? Gotta love Hyun getting another little dig at Josh. And finally at least Kimmy has acknowledged to herself what a mess she has created with Hyun. It’s been only 3 days since Kimmy/Josh were together (that we know of), but it does feel a bit as though each is pulling away from the other, and testing out what life as not a couple might look like. And while Kimmy is now dealing with a lot, maybe both her and Josh are going to discover there is a life without the other. Next few chapters will be interesting.


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