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[Tree] Chapter 504: Tyrant of the Void

🕑 Added 2025-08-27 14:34:07 +0000 UTC

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Barry Weddle

Stella went too far.

Tryptic

I like this rewrite way, WAY more than the original. You had to get through a lot of ideas in a short amount of time, and this works. It also sets up future interactions with Origins pretty well. I see other people saying that Ashlock has spent too much time winning, but I don't really agree. His challenge isn't about staying alive anymore, it's about making steady progress without sacrifices. The one sticking point left is that it was unrealistic for Morrigan to speak up in the first place. Her character would have never made that decision, based on what we know of her and her motivations. But even this can be reconciled: you just say that the weight of her huge number of past lives affects her, and compelled her to tell Elaine the truth. It's obvious that Morrigan would have some mental issues that lead to chaotic behavior, so it can just be chalked up to that. I haven't read further than this yet, so you might have already done it. But I think at some point a simple conversation with Morrigan in the grove would tie the whole thing together. She can express how afraid she was, how she doesn't know if this is the final answer but it isn't bad to try something different. She can even say how it was stupid of her to tell Elaine the truth, but she's just been through the cycle so many times that she felt she had to, or she couldn't care, or maybe she held some secret hope she would be stopped, etc.

InfernoDroid

While the rewrites were much better than the originals, I still think the overall outcome is not good or satisfying. Origins have been made out to be extremely powerful even if they are in the star core realm. The void is supposed to be able to hit way above it's realm, and Morrigan has been shown to be way more clever than you made her out to be in these chapters. As an Origin of the Void it honestly feels dumb for khoas to be able to remove her from the void. Honestly, even if he was above the monarch realm I don't think any being no matter how powerful should be able to do anything to her in the void. Others have said that it feels too easy and clean. That the ashfallen sect hasn't suffered a single failure in a long time, the worst thing that happened was a bunch of people that don't matter to the story died to Vincent, but no real meaning loses. The Beast tide was resolved anticlimacticly, being leagues above the cast are essentially bowing down before them, etc. It's all just feels like there haven't been any real steaks for the sect since Vincent. Morrigan was a being that no one could control, and yet with basically no effort they bound her soul away. Honestly, I would prefer everything after Elaine announces she's pregnant get deleted right before Morrigan speaks up. Just never have her show up, have the ashfallen sect find a way to give her kid a second affinity down the line, and honestly, I want Morrigan to take that kid over and that's how we find out about the voidmind curse. Honestly, I just want the Sect to take some major Ls

Chris

Ashlock isnt an origin, the system is. The system is the origin of rebirth, and ashlock is simply a demonic tree with a human-level mind and mutations.

Excess

Xkarnation, I am comparing details about how Origins operate between these chapters and chapter 448. They sound contradictory. Also, if Origins cannot have multiple affinities then does that definitively mean that Ashlock is not an Origin even though he resembles one to Morrigan? Also, you stopped addressing Khaos as a general in system notifications for some reason.

jalapenochips

It’s not a bad resolution, but we are now over 500 chapters in without any big losses or defeats. Sometimes, it just feels a bit too safe, too clean, and too sanitized, so when a potentially interesting problem gets solved in 2 chapters, it’s a bit of a letdown. I take it back if there are horrible unintended consequences with what just happened though. There is still time lol

joe obrien

Much better

Thomas Meta

I love the rewrite. It feels like a good ending now. Even if you think it’s not your best. Also I hope you turn Morrigan into her actual archetype as the trinity goddess of death. Or I assume and hope that’s were your going with it with her entering ash’s afterlife. Also not sure how much thought you’ve given to the next general but either kiada or the other half of nox’s soul that turned into a grim reaper. I’m blanking on the name and ascended realm it was called. But assuming a general status could be temporary she could be reduced to a level that would be tolerable for her. Also if kiada can do this. He might be worth the it.

Alex Shinall

Even after the edit, I still do not like this chapter. Probably the worse one you've written. Thus whole situation with Morrigan just feels rushed and so out of place.

XKARNATION

The Sam stuff was brushed over because there wasn’t that much more to cover and people weren’t really interested in those chapters. Sure it’s a lose end but not a very interesting one

Tsurani

Is her soul going to the grove, or did maple eat it? I’m still confused about that.

Codered999

You forgot to include Khaos and Bob going up two levels in response to Ashlock doing so.

Caleb Reusser

Chapter still has the issue of the resolution to the problem happening off screen. This would work if the novels were single person POV but it is not.

Shannon

As other's have said , this is much better. With the way you had things set up before with Stella going to beg/attempt to convince her not to explode - and then you cut away - coupled with the fact that a previous series of chapters was set up to be a multipart arc concerning the corrupted beast core, midway through beast tide clean up, then you cut to Stella for a half-dozen to a dozen chapters and when we come back beast tide cleanup is over, and the interaction between Sam and Stella's disciple, after sam absorbed the corrupted core, all happened off screen, I was seriously going to just DNF the rest of this series. You should know, as both a writer and a consumer of writing, that there is one thing you should never do. Resolve tension established during the chapter (or at the end of the chapter) off-screen or with a timeskip. And you have done this at least twice. The second most recent is the situation with the corrupted (not standard) demon beast core. The scene has Sam absorbing the core (and lets ignroe the fact that he had no reason to given the resources Stella's disciple gave him only a few days earlier) then the disciple finds Sam and team. She offers to work together. You then timeskip away the resolution to this. We spend time with Stella. When we come back, beast tide clean up is over. The most recent one is the resolution to chapter 504. While the edited 503 and 504 are technically better, you had Stella resolve the situation with Morrigan by begging her. This is character growth for Stella. Stella, a crestfallen and the embodiment of pride almost, was willing to swallow it to shame herself by begging Morrigan to listen and let them. This was actually a good thing. BUT You resolved it. Off. Fucking. Screen. And worse, you had Ash miss it because of the silly thing the system did that was totally out of character under the circumstances. This is bad. This is really bad. The reason that you should never resolve a tense situation, like the above two examples, off screen, is that not only is it the one of the worst types of 'tell don't show' - it is almost as bad as the worf effect - but it disrespects the readers. More importantly, I feel, however, is that it disrespects yourself, your characters, and your world. They deserve better from you. They deserve character growth. They deserve resolution to their conflicts being seen by your audience. --- Editing done. I accidentally hit enter when I meant to shift + enter.

Plateworm

I don’t think she escaped into the void or she wouldn’t be there anymore. It’s more likely she completely erased her presence in reality using her void powers

RedFaux

This version is better indeed

joe obrien

ash put an elder of the voidmine family into an ent for senior Lee… why not again for Morgan?

Victor Mijares

Do feel like its rushed a bit. Like everything Elaine went though. Plus morrigan never actually gone against them. Seems to quick or out of character. Like, instead of killing, why not attach whatever binds them and move it over to an ent of the void. So if she dies, she goes to the ent Instead. Or have ash find a way to make a body for her, one that can get past the limit. Kaos proved it is doable.

NoLifeNeeded

Yeah, like others have said Morrigan was truthful if a bit mean when saying why Elaine will always have kids with void affinity but everyone blew up and attacked her instead of doing anything else. Make a body for her, offer the afterlife as an option, maybe make turning her into a tree a possibility to temporarily extend her life while ash figures out how to give her higher cultivation. Also the whole "you have a way with words but we wont talk about it" is usually a great gag but here it just felt off. I'd say to revisit other options for this chain of events.

Justenrules

Ash said in the past that he planned to eventually tell Morrigan about the second affinity method to bypass the star core limit for void cultivators. He clearly wasnt worried about removing her limit. This betrayal of her is our of nowhere and every character conveniently decided to act like Stella and forget every other method to resolve this.

Tejing

On another reread, I think I see the main issue: show, don't tell. You have Stella explaining how Morrigan doesn't actually care about Elaine, but that's telling, not showing. Even more so, it's Stella telling, when she isn't exactly the most reliable source. We've already learned to take her perspective with a grain of salt. Morrigan "looking detached" just isn't enough. She needs to *do* something that makes her real values crystal clear. Then the rest will make sense.

Tejing

This chapter was interesting, but... off. Morrigan ending up in Ash's afterlife might really be the best place for her, but the way this chapter (and last chapter) got to that point definitely doesn't seem to fit the characters. Morrigan has been helpful and fairly forthcoming this entire time. She even volunteered the information that set this chain of events off. Her taking over Elaine or her daughter is obviously something they can't allow to happen, but there was no short-term danger of that. They could have promised to find a different way for her to survive her death and left it at that for the moment. Or they could have offered her the whole afterlife thing as a voluntary option, and she might have taken it after some time to ponder the issue. She does seem to actually feel something for her daughter, she just wants to avoid her fate more than that. If offered another way, she might come around. Lots of less betrayal-y options that were just skipped right past without comment. Either Morrigan needs to prove that she's completely untrustworthy before they rip her to pieces, or they need to find a better way to deal with this. That's my opinion.

Justice League

This chapter was a surprise! And a little sad to me because Morrigan can’t help who and how she is. She is making the best of a bad situation, and had did the heart-breaking work of telling Elaine. She didn’t need to do that. It was an act of love and trust, I thought. Going to an afterlife isn’t a terrible consequence, but Morrigan wasn’t a Vincent Nightrose, breeding his offspring just to eat them eventually. Morrigan tried to be more loving. While not perfectly so, as a person who has seen abusive parenting I wouldn’t say she met that bar either. And Morrigan’s big betrayal of the children she “eats” is done reluctantly, much more like a “which bad fate would you like better?” Campfire game. We were expecting all that to be taken into account, and the great aberration that Khaos is to Morrigan to be a huge part of the answer. Morrigan could have a permanent solution in a Void Ent, always provided by Ashlock, and be in a pact with him (of some kind) that she will use her wit to forward the causes of Ashlock (though as more of a contractor than an employee, if you get my drift) and in exchange Ashlock provides a body, and if Ashlock can’t, she goes to his Afterlife to await when he can. :) This is what I was thinking of, but you have the plot in your mind and we are grateful for the work you put in, to create this family pleasure we enjoy.

Sargon Yami

Morrigan escaped into the void in which she is far stronger than just starcore. How did khaos bring her back? It was implied that in the void she is at the peak

Jacob Dayley

This whole fight felt a little out of left field for a climactic book end and I didn’t love it. I agree with another commenter that Stella instantly trying to kill an origin is just odd. I’m not sure how much souls grow with age but it is implied they do and her age is implied to be astronomically higher than anyone else’s present. It all felt a little too easy and rushed. Still enjoyed the chapter though think it could definitely use some work.

Admiralthrawnbar

Pretty sure they are the only ones with an afterlife to bind them too

Sargon Yami

If no one from even the first layer apear to be able to bind an origin how the hell did stella and kaida do it?

Kai

This chapter is really bad.

bobby2dreki

For the comments against killing Morrigan I think they might have missed one important point. From the moment Elaine gets to surpasse the star core realm, what is stopping Morrigan to commit suicide to finally escape her shackles? Like that is an horrible ticking time bomb to have laying around, of course they need to take action. Is how it was handled the best way? Who knows! But yes I do think the problem I just mentioned might not be clear enough for everyone.

Michael M

Im glad they finally got rid of her she has never been trustworthy and has done whatever she wants multiple times and was just always sus. Plus now she can be perma dead which I feel like she would want best of worlds. And also she was never much of a mother because she didnt actually give a shit about her kids they are just respawn points

Sebastian Lozano

Personally, I really disagreed with this chapter because Morrigan is offering new information willingly about something she cannot control. Whatever her motivation, her supposed allies and family immediately double cross her for attempting to be transparent,truthful, and forthright. furthermore, neither Ashlock nor Stella have a moment of self reflection where Ashlock thinks “I’d rather die than take Stella’s life. But would I rather be in eternal hell?” And Stella thinks “I would happily give my life to save Ash from eternal hell.” I don’t think any character has really acted out of character, but like… no one even mentioned trying to elongate Morrigan’s lifespan. It also feels ham fisted that the family dynamic is preserved when it is convenient: for the Nightshade family where Nox’s sister hated Nox for hundreds of years and then forgives her in one conversation while Elaine literally executed her entire family to save her mother and then betrays her after one conversation

Tucker Longstroth

I feel like Morrigan would look forward to a death not in the void? I think this chapter would flow better if someone suggests the idea, she waffles back and forth for a bit, then denies the chance out of habit and self preservation, then she is forced into the new afterlife.

Immortalloon

Quite enjoyed the chapter. Showing how Stella has power without wisdom. I hope she feels the consequences of her actions after dealing with Morrigan.

Josh

Looking forward to being able to say hello!

Victor DoUrden

So clearly the author hates this character. As the entire moral of the chapter is to not be honest or vulnerable around family and etcetera. This also kills the subplot of how her skin care routine was coming along.

InfernoDroid

I'm going to be brutally honest, it kinda just feels like you didn't know what to do with her character and just decided to get rid of her so you wouldn't have to worry about what to su with her anymore. (I know she'd go to Ash's afterlife, but let's be real, she'd get 1 or 2 more scenes, maybe be referenced a few times here and there, but honestly no longer be a real character anymore)

InfernoDroid

Honestly, I didn't like it at all, personally I hope he rewrites the entire seen, both from last chapter and this one

InfernoDroid

On the Author's note, I'm going to be honest, i really didn't like getting rid of Morrigan, she's a great great character as she doesn't have to bend to Ash's will, and currently it feels like too many beings have to with him only in the 9th layer. Honestly, I don't like any of the Morrigan having to have reincarnate into a family member. Tbh I don't like how any of this played out. I'd rather have her not have to reincarnate like that, to have seen khoas and decide to start "working" with Ash to escape the star core realm. Overall, I don't like killing her, or any origin off for a VERY long time. At this point, I think it should literally be impossible for the Aahfallen sect to manage this for ANY origin.

Someone

I have to say it shows Stella's violent side, Morrigan didn't betray them or anything they just didn't fully trust each other. The first time Ashlock used his weak sleep technique sounds a lot like what Morrigan went through in the void when she had no heirs, a never ending nightmare. I think they shouldn't have been so extreme with her. It feels like with Knox when she was a trader, Stella's violence there was stupid there when they chose to poison them from the start. It was just to start a stupid fight,. Like now, Morrigan would definitely do something in the grove of rebirth. They should have talked about it.

Nic Peacock

Alright theory time: I’m calling it the grand cycle theory because it suggests that the cycle exists as a step on an even larger cycle. We all know that is a cycle happening where the world tree grows through the 9 realms before being cut down by a crestfallen. We also know the origins existed in a pre-creation before the creation of the nine realms. And we have heard a legend of a time where all the Qi was held by one being and all of creation lived as mortals. And finally, we know the heavens like change but have a grudge against technology. So what if Ash’s role in the grand cycle is to consume all the qi in the nine realms and hell, bringing all the souls – especially the origin souls into his “afterlife.” This creates a mundane world similar to the one we live in. The mundane world eventually destroys itself through technology. Leaving the origins alone in a state of pre-creation. Desiring change the being who controls all the qi starts to share some with the origins, and from there, the nine realms are created anew. The cycle of the nine realms itself being a process to create the being that will role of the heavens. Assuming this theory was true Elder Lee would probably be the previous Ashlock and is the one who popped him out of the afterlife and said they feared eternity. And if Ashlock doesn’t break the grand cycle, he is faded to become the next Elder Lee.

Tryptic

One thing that is very unclear with the current chapter is what Maple means when he says "let me eat her." At first I thought he meant eat only her body, because they were just talking about binding her soul to the grove and him asking to eat her soul goes completely against what they just said. I think at a minimum, Ashlock or someone should demand clarification from Maple about what that will do and how it would help. The goal of every character in the scene changed when Maple said that line, but it changed in a sneaky way where nobody seemed to notice. Morrigan might, *might* have been convinced to let her soul be bound and still live out her current life, since she's looking at immortality whether she becomes Elaine or goes to the grove. Even if she thinks the grove will be destroyed when Ashlock dies, and she'll end up reincarnating anyway. But that's a chance for Ashlock to explain to an Origin that he's planning to break the cycle and stay alive permanently: we can learn how the Origins are likely to react. I think much of your reader base has been expecting Ashlock to rally all the Origins behind him in his revolution, which this chapter feels like it derails.

Tryptic

This is a really tough one. I think that Morrigan could be convinced to join Ashlock's grove through words alone, if given enough time. But the issue is being forced right now, so as the author you can kinda choose whether to go the violent or non-violent route.

joe obrien

On a side note can we get a breakdown of ash’s current skills / levels / and mutations.. so many have changed lately I’m not sure where we sit with them

Sam Hayman

I liked it but thinking back not sure it makes sense its a bit extreme and seems almost counter to the whole bring down the heavens thing. I would think a better way would be to use the origin of rebirth/system mixed with divinity, maybe the ent magic (not the new general) and void origin herself to create a new existence. If ash and system can get the void over the hurdle to that next stage then there’s some shenanigans they can do to push lil miss void origin over the end do she’s immortal

BlackRazaras

Thanks for the chapter

joe obrien

I saw more of a betrayal from the system rather than Morgan.. she can’t help the way the heavens make her reincarnate.. I just feel like Morgan was done dirty

joe obrien

I had liked the idea of Morgan taking over khoas as that would have given ash more control over morgan as his new general

Antonio Thompson

Another point I’ve been considering: isn’t the whole reason some of the Origins join together because Ashlock’s role is to break the cycle? If that’s the case, then it feels contradictory for him to simply kill them once they pose a threat. After all, their joining—and the cycle that spawns them—shouldn’t be seen as a problem in itself. Just my thoughts. Overall, still great work otherwise.

Owen Kaz

It's likely a continuity thing. The void doesn't fit in with the established order, and goes against the heavens, therefore as the voids incarnation they would be heavily affected by it. The fact that they cannot reach higher than star core barring (assumabley) very high level techniques manually assisting them means they inevitably get stuck in weaker bodies, as those at the higher levels likely have techniques themselves or those around them who can prevent the possession. She is likely doomed to the void only temporarily. As the potential to takeover other void beings exists, but she is far too weak to take over higher level individuals. And since humans don't get a void affinity naturally, they are incredibly rare We also don't know how becoming a beast would affect an Origin. It likely heavily affects the process of regaining their memories. Potentially even causing an infinite loops as they fail to regain themselves before the beast dies. The current body was certainly one of her previous daughters. The whole family was. She just probably considers herself a her and prefers it for manipulation purposes.

Warphole

I liked the direction this chapter took. Morrigan was the epitome of selfishness, to the point that no reasonable person could ever truly trust her. Personally, I think that kind of self-centered character is portrayed far more convincingly by the worldwalkers. They manage to be self-serving without feeling so over-the-top or implausible. I was also curious how the story would handle hostile origins, so it was satisfying to see that addressed.

Alex Shinall

Not a huge fan of this chapter tbh. What happen to Morrigan was brutal and came out of nowhere. I would rather there be another solution to Elaine's problem than throwing brutilizing Morrigan and throwing here soul into The Grove for eternity.

the duck guy

Would have been cool thow to know how she pleaded with morigan

Antonio Thompson

I feel like this risks wasting a good character. There’s so much potential in exploring their origins, their defined role, and the impact they could have on reality and the system they’re bound to. If the Tree can create its own reincarnation, it should naturally have the power to alter the cycle itself—granting different powers and abilities. If betrayal is meant to come, I’d hold it back for later when it could carry far more weight. For example, Ashlock could eventually devour all the Origins and ascend into something like the “Over-Origin”—a final, terrifying embodiment. That way, suspicion is preserved, but the arc builds toward a more satisfying payoff. As it stands, killing the character here feels like a waste. It isn’t really her fault, nor has she shown direct intent—it’s something forced upon her. That nuance should matter, and handled differently, her arc could be both more meaningful and more rewarding.

Ibram Gaunt

Thank you for the chapter. Wow morrigan shows her true colours… maybe she is so set in her believe that the cycle can’t be broken that she can not fathom the possibility of change. Maybe thats what ashlock is. The origin of change… his system the origin of rebirth and he the origin of change… that’s gonna be complicated…

Erik Tóth

Thanks for the chapter!

federico Camargo

This chapter answered one of my doubts about why Morrigan’s hair would turn pink and then go back to black. However, it feels somewhat unnatural how easily she was incapacitated, considering that when it is revealed she is an Origin, she carried Ash’s soul into the void where she apparently could exert her full power. It seems strange to me that she didn’t do the same here. "Does Morrigan always reincarnate as a woman? It feels strange to me, I always thought she would be reborn in a random form, and that for an Origin gender wouldn’t be something important. So, was the current body one of her daughters’?

Someone

A new book will be released!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Plateworm

Tftc

SDCard

Thanks for the chapter! It's always nice seeing Stella so protective of the others.

StormTheSquid

It's because she's an origin, her supernova would probably be demi-divine despite being void affinity.

Alexey Gladkich

I am confused. How would Morrigan's Supernova be able to harm Ashlock? Isn't he immune to the void? The last two supernovae couldn't do anything to his soul.

Ethan Barrow

TFTC!! The system needs a good kick to the ass for that one.

Quentin Cozzi

Thanks for the chapter!


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