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[Tree] Chapter 120: Revealing the Truth

🕑 Added 2023-06-05 17:25:50 +0000 UTC

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Victor DoUrden

Needs to auction of them pretty skin truffles

ShadeByTheSea

Also I judge characters by their origin, A character born and raised in the Sect can act against our "modern sensibilities" and I wouldn't judge them as harshly as someone from our world. It's kinda like Monster MC stories, if the monster had a human life before hand and starts acting like a total evil monster I won't read that story. But if the monster MC was always a monster I might be willing to read it.

ShadeByTheSea

I think people forget that "humanity" is only called that because we only know about humans. In this context it refers to the second definition which is a synonym of benevolence which even trees can have.

Vladimir Merritt

But that's the difference... hate and fear... 2 different points of view

Also he’s fully a (demonic) tree now, not a human. His soul changed and everything. So it would make sense that his “humanity” and modern sensibilities get twisted

Comparing IRL management to a sect leader where people regularly kill each other for resources. We just saw an entire clan (= company in your analogy) get killed by two other clans. That would be “illegal collusion” and the government (patriarch/heavens?) should step in. Except nobody cares! Murder and steal all you want! It is a demonic sect lol. And Ella literally just said she feels affection for her family taking care of her. Anyway I don’t care if he doesn’t kill her (although there’s way better oath to do like I said above), but the oaths seem pretty nerfed now if they’re *not* enforced by the heavens.

Me

It's not actually all that clear how exactly oaths are enforced by heaven or by wich metric heaven judges wether an oath is broken or not. And things like "loyalty" are extremly subjective things. I'd even say that the oath of secrecy is a much more rigorous oath than the loyalty oath sworn by douglas since the terms of the secrecy oath are much clearer and thus leave less wiggle room. Also, we and ash know that the only voidmind family member that is likely to meet ella any time soon is one of her brothers for the alchemy tournament. And while we know nothing about that brother, we and ash know that ella is pretty much a discarded child. In a world this harsh it's unlikely that there are tight family connections even between siblings and especially with a discarded child. Yes, it's a bit of a gamble but it's not too dangerous as long as ash has diana keep a close eye on ella until that brother of hers leaves again.

Me

i'm not sure wether the mystic realm is right for her. We technically speaking still don't really know how it works. It seems that whoever enters the mystic realm will find a world that is, while still dangerous, perfect for the dao they cultivate and the realm they are in. However, that is far from really confirmed so far. Furthermore ella entering the mystic realm would be quite pointless before she had a spirit root improving truffle and i'd say it's still far too early for that.

Basically God

Plus... I never took you for a coward!

Barnabas_11

Again, someone uses argument irrelevant for this story and situation, the oaths to Ash are enforced by havens as such they cannot be manipulated and he doesn’t need to care. It’s not our world, I don’t know why you read this story if you can’t even think about this.

Melting Sky

Only imbecile makes their subordinates actively hate them. It's basically shooting yourself in the balls in that it will eventually come back to haunt you the moment you are at your weakest and your back is turned. The girl would obviously choose death over enslavement, so the only option was to shoot himself in the foot and gain nothing by killing her or gamble a bit while hedging the bet to limit potential losses while opening a good possibility for serious gains. Also, you better pray you are never placed in management. You would get eaten alive. I would give it a year before your tires started getting mysteriously slashed and a large dose of LSD ended up in your coffee while those above you reamed your ass for having an employee turnover rate 3 times as high as anyone else and abysmal numbers as a result.

ShadeByTheSea

Stockholm syndrome actually is on rather shaky ground. It's not actually an officially recognized condition(at least in america). That doesn't mean it's not real, just that it's not proven without a doubt. I just found it interesting that it's not as solid as TV shows would have us believe. Honestly though it is totally possible for someone you captured to become a trusted ally. It's happened in history a lot. She's less a kidnap victim and more a captured enemy. Where the line between kidnapping and taking prisoners is idk, maybe there isn't one and all prisoners of war are actually kidnap victims. This is especially true in this culture. If she doesn't have to betray her family and can get resources to advance than more than likely she'll have a positive view of them long term. The rape victim turned lover thing some Chinese novels do does need to die with fire though. I've been lucky enough to avoid most of those novels though. In the end though none of that really matters, I would rather read about a somewhat nice but naive character than some a-hole but scheming character. As a rule I kinda hate paranoid characters.

@enderman but it’s been shown that the oath can be bypassed to some extent as long as you believe you’re not breaking it... So can she self-hypnotize and then she’s not breaking the oath? 🤔

XKARNATION

Hold up… you might be onto a stroke of genius here

Human2849

Get bigger sword?

XKARNATION

Ye

Vladimir Merritt

That's where the fundamental "truth" is broken... as a kidnapped and under the ever hanging threat of death over the captive cannot make sense to be turned into a "family" member... its that weird tag of rape victim turned lover or whatever in the disgusting Chinese novels...

enderman

The fact that she is so happy about the skin improvement truffle instead of any other cultivation resource shows how naive she is and that she is used to having a powerful individual next to her all the time. She needs a wake up call. Possibly in the [Mystic Realm] fighting for her life?

enderman

If she believes that they are a sect member reveal information but she is a smart girl so that’s unlikely.

Koza0

Thank you for the chapter! I'm intrigued how their inner dynamics will continue to form, and the brief insight into Ella's perspective was very revealing.

Putrescent Ego

Can't say I'm a massive fan of this outcome Sir, but we shall see where it leads down the line, thanks for the chapter.

IMO, if he wanted to be “nice”, he should’ve given her a truffle with weak effects to get her interested and more willing to do a more restrictive oath. And if she was worried about fighting her family, let that be part of the loyalty oath that she won’t be forced to fight her family but can’t betray Ashfallen sect, or she can’t leave the mountain without permission, etc. Oath of secrecy seems pretty weak. EDIT: Also curious about vagueness of “recognized as an Ashfallen Sect member” means.. if someone just says they are, can she spill the beans? Lol

Barnabas_11

There is a reason the world is like it is and Ash is too weak to try doing risky things.

Demian Buckle

From my perspective, Ash probably knows that what he has done is risky but he knows that if he is to prosper in the future he will need more than allies, he will need friends and family. People who support each other not for gain but because they care about each other. This sort of relationship is counter to the current cultivation world and is something that can not be built through fear or intimidation but by trust and kindness.

XKARNATION

Thanks for the edits! Regarding the soul stuff, there are things worse than death. She is just rather sheltered and naive.

Human2849

There's something about the flow of the chapter that feels a bit off to me. It also feels like you read the comments on the last chapter, tried to address them in this chapter and thus there are parts that seem a bit choppy. --- > and chopped into the wood by that Voidmind Elder." Should probably be "and chopped into wood by that Voidmind Elder." > He glanced at Stella and ruled her off as someone Should probably be "He glanced at Stella and ruled her **out** as someone" > to deem it worth betraying her family for Should probably be "to deem **whether it's** worth betraying her family for" > Apphrensivly, she looked up, wiping her glasses Should probably be "**Apprehensively**, she looked up, wiping her glasses" > "Oh yea, I was helping her before the whole worm incident." Should probably be "Oh **yeah**, I was helping her before the whole worm incident." --- > Yes, she may die here due to her arrogance, but in her opinion, that was far better than betraying her family and being a slave to the person who had murdered her Uncle. So it sounds like this universe doesn't have people who can manipulate souls? Otherwise I'd assume Ella, daughter of a prominent demonic cultivator, would know about such cultivators. In some other cultivation novels there are cultivators that tourture/search for souls so they'll become vengeful spirits and use them in combat, like in soul flags and such. If I had to choose between servitude and becoming fuel for a soul flag I'd definitely choose the servitude.

Tetrisman87

Glad to see her added to the sect. Honestly showing a little care is probably the best move as it'll be a stark difference to her own family. I'm sure that truffle will be a huge help as well! As always, thanks to the wordsmith!

Demian Buckle

Thank you for the Chapter.

Barnabas_11

+ why would we even care if he became toxic boss, what we care is that he and his family is safe and not dead and not well-being of other people who still get benefits so massive that being unhappy should just be seen as ungrateful and spoiled. I would be very happy to work in super-toxic environment if at the end of the year there is equivalent of 1 bln $ in my account

Barnabas_11

1. In your story loyalty is NOT subjective it’s objective and the one deciding it are havens, which is whole point of why I find oath in this story as powerful tool. And if it’s not the case then you need to rewrite all your chapters about oaths because that’s how it’s portrayed. 2. Ella is NOT a recruit. She is an enemy who they are trying to recruit so don’t come on me with some corporate bullshit if it not relevant in this situation. 3. Douglas is also NOT a typical recruit. But is rather “bought” and forced into sect.

XKARNATION

Loyalty is subjective, even when overseen by the heavens. In Douglas's eyes, Ella was very helpful with setting up the alchemy lab in the cavern and is a good companion for him as Ashlock/Stella/Diana are already a tight nit trio, and he was brought on alone as a grunt worker. He wouldn't see trying to get Ella to join the sect as against his loyalty as he sees only benefits to her joining. However, he did step aside and let Stella intimidate Ella slightly once she had said she would sign the oath. If Ella were to betray the sect or refuse to take the oath, Douglas would have (somewhat reluctantly) turned his back on Ella and stood with the Ashfallen sect. You are wanting Ashlock to not act like a "pushover," but senseless enforcing of power would turn him into a despised tyrant rather than someone people actually wanted to follow (regardless of whether an oath forced them or not). You basically want him to act like a toxic boss/government that enforces soul-binding contracts and punishes people when they don't somehow mind-read him and obey his every (unspoken) order.

Barnabas_11

1. Making thing difficult for ash is not absolute loyalty. + Leaders need to do it because they do not have access to oaths govern over by havens. If someone task resulted in lower efficiency because of his personal emotions then his oath would have activated. 2. Why would they make her one if nothing changed other than her not being able to talk about them, I see plenty of things she can do to fuck them up. 3. Show that she was right to disobey him and embolden her to further scheme against them. She would already killed herself if she didn’t agree under threat of death. 4. Every leader would know that correcting an unwanted behavior should be made when it happens aka when they saw Douglas standing on girl side, or as soon as possible after the situation aka after she recited her oath.

XKARNATION

Worm is rather big to cut with a sword… 😂

Basically God

Could just wield the sword against the worm! Thanks for the chapter~♥

XKARNATION

1. Because Douglas is someone who has sworn complete loyalty to him, and making him miserable would be counterproductive? Only a leader lacking any social skills would enforce decisions that made everyone involved unhappy and divided. 2. She's part of the sect now. Why ostracise and separate her from everyone else? 3. What does Ashlock gain from making an ultimatum? He wants to surround himself with allies that trust him and ones he can grow alongside throughout the realms. Ella already said she wouldn't agree to an oath forced upon her through fear. 4. This will likely be explored in future chapters but now was not a good time to pull him aside. Theres more important things to worry about right now.

Barnabas_11

Ash, made all the good conclusions, and then went and choose the worst possible choice to end the situation. With no other reason than for author to make him more “good/kind” or to show us that despite everything he went through he is still an idiot. 1. Why the fuck would he care what Douglas thinks. Look more like cheap excuse 2. This whole situation shows that allowing Douglas near her is bad, so of course let’s make them spend even more together. Idiotic. 3. Why was this a proposal and not ultimatum? You are just emboldening her even more. 4. Why wasn’t there anything said about Douglas treading a fine line with his oath. Even if Ash is a pushover and a “kind/stupid” then Stella according to her character should have taken him to the side for a “talk” about his priorities. 5. Even the oath, Ash went for the least invasive one to show how he care more about kindness than his own friends and family. I’m pretty sure that knive to the neck while in meditation still kill you even if you are whole stage stronger than atacker. 6. Why suddenly everyone treat her like a friend if she just can’t talk about you, but can still very much scheme against you. Especially if she met someone wise enough to understand that there is something that she can’t talk about and collaborate with him to let him understand without breaking the oath. She is supposedly very smart so if I can came up with it I’m pretty sure she can to.

Andrew

Thank you!


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